[Kyrosiris]

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Originally Posted by psychorvs

I was always under the assumption fighters have to upgrade their gear to get YOU faster EXP. A Light card will help do so.

A) An agreement was made BEFORE THE CARDS DROPPED that I would be compensated for half of the card's value, regardless of if they used it or not.
B) Two of the three sold the fucking cards.
C) All three of them told me in no uncertain terms to fuck off after they dropped, reneging on our past agreement which we made when I became their permanent RM.

Originally Posted by psychorvs

Now how does that beat Fooding, selfbuffing, gathering and killing?

Oh yes, four buffs is so hard to keep track of when I'm over here juggling 12. Fooding shouldn't be NECESSARY with a good RM. Gathering and killing? That's called "click the mob twice and AFK/click a bunch of mobs twice, go somewhere and spam <insert AFK skill here>".

Originally Posted by psychorvs

RM's need to get off their high horse, RMing is not hard.

Given, but it's harder than fighting and actually requires attention and effort.

Edit: And that assumes we're talking about risk-free Azria. Leveling somewhere with aggros is INFINITELY harder.

[yoyo1992]

But before i had a pet, i got an earthquake card drop, which the RM i was leveling at the time 'Stole' and did not share.

So it goes both ways. Not all RMs deserve to have 50/50. Some good ones do, however.

[ChemicalOath]

Originally Posted by psychorvs

RM's need to get off their high horse, RMing is not hard. Anyone that doesnt have the attention span of a pencil sharpener can do it.

Have you ever even played an RM? o_O

I've played AoE classes, I've played 1v1 classes, and I've played an RM. RMs, after level 75, are MUCH harder than 1v1 classes and almost all AoE classes.

And say the fighter slips up--he dies cause he forgets prevention, or maybe he forgets to use beserk or something. The RM is allowed to complain, because the fighter will go "lol w/e get ovur it".

If the RM messes up, forgetting GT or HCing the wrong mob, it's the end of the world.

"LUUL U FKN SUCK U RM NO ALL DROPS R MY OK??/"

[AoEOfArrows]

Originally Posted by psychorvs

I was always under the assumption fighters have to upgrade their gear to get YOU faster EXP. A Light card will help do so. RM's don't need Lightcards. Don't care how good you are, I'll split blues and greens, but not Light cards, it's your way to be able to aid me by not nagging me and granting me it, which is what RM's should do as you evidently posted.

Also you do more than a fighter? Last time I checked an RM supporting an AoEr just heals and uses SF/GT every minute and a 1v1 RM just clicks and holds down the HC button and GT/SF's. Now how does that beat Fooding, selfbuffing, gathering and killing?

RM's need to get off their high horse, RMing is not hard. Anyone that doesnt have the attention span of a pencil sharpener can do it.

RMs don`t need money? It might be true pre-80, but after that you need money for restatting at some point (105 I guess) to AoE, reskill if you`ve spent yours or if you`re from v6 or earlier, highly upgraded 105 set and highly upgraded supporting set so you won`t run out of MP, have longer buff timers and have better heal.


Supporting AoErs might sound easyyyy like hell, but unless for Eles, Rangers and RMs all AoErs just gather...spam action slot with the face on their TV...and so on.
Later some people even do "dual AoE": Merkaba+FSing, don`t know why, but i`ve seen that in some videos.
1v1 Supoorting is WAY harder than what you just said, you need to re-target and spam action slot, later also use Heal Rain along with the HC, then targetting the partner for HC GT, retargetting, MP recover, Heal Rain, retargetting, MP...
What should the fighter do? Click-click?

And not giving him the money so i`ll plvl him, yeah. Right. *going to sleep, tomorrow i`ll find a new better RM*. :\
If I would find a Lightning supporting my best friend who is my CW partner, so yeah, i`d let him having it so he`ll make a higher damage output while we`re going to CW.
But you`re a liar if you say that you don`t switch RM like every day.

Edit: i`ve picked the last option, simply because if a RM will start to abuse the O option while i`m getting nearly death, i`d not give him a penya, and i`d dump him. Like ashen did. Though I know it wasn`t your case, Mei, that was just stupid @:

[ssREV]

nice partner = 50/50
disliked partner of convenience = dive for it and hope they dont notice

[Doppy]

if its someone i know i could give some of the money but random rms no no and only if the rm was a good friend :P

[psychorvs]

Originally Posted by Kyrosiris

A) An agreement was made BEFORE THE CARDS DROPPED that I would be compensated for half of the card's value, regardless of if they used it or not.
B) Two of the three sold the fucking cards.
C) All three of them told me in no uncertain terms to fuck off after they dropped, reneging on our past agreement which we made when I became their permanent RM.

Not all classes use Lights to level, they could've sold it and bought other gear. You had 3 permanent partners? LAst time I checked permanently was not a relative understanding.

Oh yes, four buffs is so hard to keep track of when I'm over here juggling 12. Fooding shouldn't be NECESSARY with a good RM. Gathering and killing? That's called "click the mob twice and AFK/click a bunch of mobs twice, go somewhere and spam <insert AFK skill here>".

Juggling 12? If I'm juggling 4 you can't even buff 12 things on me. Some experienced RM you are...
FYI, RM Heal won't help a 100% if Mobs in Volkane are doing over 5k crits. Unless you can Heal 5k, and then Heal all the other hits as well in 1 Heal or Rain. I Pill and food frequently as do other AoE-rs. Food extends the limit of your AoE capability.

But then again what do I know I only play a Master 9x Ele and Master 7x RM, I dunno shit about RM and fighters.

Given, but it's harder than fighting and actually requires attention and effort.

Edit: And that assumes we're talking about risk-free Azria. Leveling somewhere with aggros is INFINITELY harder.

Run away and board? Never had problems running away from even Popcranks. AoEing doesn;t require attention? ok...

Originally Posted by ChemicalOath

Have you ever even played an RM? o_O

No? :> FSed Kern's first 120 on it and he did not complain. Neither did I getting less than 0.01 a kill. Grind, bitches.

(My girlfriends RM but I play on it too)

[meimei]

@psychorvs: I disagree about 1v1s being harder than RMs, although I've only had an acrobat as 1v1. It varies, really, on the class, I think.. However, I would disagree that it's "easy" for RMs in comparison to 1v1. If anything, it's harder.

1v1 Fighter: *self buff* *party skills* *double click* *food* [if necessary] *double click* *double click* *food* *party skills* *self buff*

RM: *following 1v1 fighter; trying to click mob right after fighter attacks* *holding HC* *watching partner's HP bar* *pressing SF/GT every minute or so, making sure you're in range* *checking buff timers (and protect, which is different)* *MP potting when out of MP* *switching from action slot to regular HC when action slot runs out* *watching partner's HP bar* *SF/GT*

From my experience, it's much harder for an RM to have a break. You're constantly pressing something, or moving somewhere. A 1v1 fighter at least gets to have a break and not hold something for a while. Granted, yes, it's "easy" to hold something down- but at the same time, it's harder to "follow" versus "being followed." Also, while the fighter only really needs to double click mobs, the RM needs to click his/her fighter, mob, and him/herself for self-buffing- and on top of that, clicking the ground near by so that he/she can GT if there is the GT bug.

I have had partners that kill relatively fast (2-3 shots and they're dead). I still would like to help them HC (they say I don't have to), but I do it anyway, because I know it'll speed up leveling, if by a little. I always try hard to HC right after they start hitting.

There was one time that my partner followed me instead, when I was HCing. It was a lot easier for me, because I could just click whatever mob I pleased.

In Azria, it's different because mobs are closer together, so you don't really know if your partner is going to select which mob since they're all close together.

I don't know if you've had a 1v1er before (you mention having an RM and ele), but it seems much easier, and for the short time I did 1v1, it was. A lot of the times, I know my partner is barely paying attention (sometimes). They pause after killing a mob, and kill another. Granted, I might pause HCing for a while so I can chat with someone, but for the most part I'm constantly HCing, constantly rebuffing, constantly SF/GTing.

In any case, I just think it's sad that RMs don't get any valuable drops. I'm at a stage where I'm probably going to FS for the rest of my life because I won't ever have the money to get a restat or nicely upgraded 105 set >.>;; [reselling flury set will not make enough for the 105 sets, upgraded LGStick, and restat] .. and.. yeah.. not enough just for an LGStick probably either. I might not "need" the LGstick to do well, but at the same time, I'm not going to do well anyway because I'm kind of at a crossroads with my RM and inefficient funds.

[SHFT]

LOL RM'ing hard?

It's fucking childs play... I remember my first time playing an RM. I was RM'ing better than most of them. The main problem with these fail rm's are that they are just too fucking lazy. Like I had so many RM's that just did SF+GT when they rebuffed me. HC'ing? They never even heard of HC >__>

The only thing that is a bit hard on a RM is maybe CW. Other than that it's just easy...

[psychorvs]

Originally Posted by Kyrosiris

A) An agreement was made BEFORE THE CARDS DROPPED that I would be compensated for half of the card's value, regardless of if they used it or not.
B) Two of the three sold the fucking cards.
C) All three of them told me in no uncertain terms to fuck off after they dropped, reneging on our past agreement which we made when I became their permanent RM.



Oh yes, four buffs is so hard to keep track of when I'm over here juggling 12. Fooding shouldn't be NECESSARY with a good RM. Gathering and killing? That's called "click the mob twice and AFK/click a bunch of mobs twice, go somewhere and spam <insert AFK skill here>".



Given, but it's harder than fighting and actually requires attention and effort.

Edit: And that assumes we're talking about risk-free Azria. Leveling somewhere with aggros is INFINITELY harder.

Originally Posted by ChemicalOath

Have you ever even played an RM? o_O

I've played AoE classes, I've played 1v1 classes, and I've played an RM. RMs, after level 75, are MUCH harder than 1v1 classes and almost all AoE classes.

And say the fighter slips up--he dies cause he forgets prevention, or maybe he forgets to use beserk or something. The RM is allowed to complain, because the fighter will go "lol w/e get ovur it".

If the RM messes up, forgetting GT or HCing the wrong mob, it's the end of the world.

"LUUL U FKN SUCK U RM NO ALL DROPS R MY OK??/"

Originally Posted by AoEOfArrows

RMs don`t need money? It might be true pre-80, but after that you need money for restatting at some point (105 I guess) to AoE, reskill if you`ve spent yours or if you`re from v6 or earlier, highly upgraded 105 set and highly upgraded supporting set so you won`t run out of MP, have longer buff timers and have better heal.


Supporting AoErs might sound easyyyy like hell, but unless for Eles, Rangers and RMs all AoErs just gather...spam action slot with the face on their TV...and so on.
Later some people even do "dual AoE": Merkaba+FSing, don`t know why, but i`ve seen that in some videos.
1v1 Supoorting is WAY harder than what you just said, you need to re-target and spam action slot, later also use Heal Rain along with the HC, then targetting the partner for HC GT, retargetting, MP recover, Heal Rain, retargetting, MP...
What should the fighter do? Click-click?

And not giving him the money so i`ll plvl him, yeah. Right. *going to sleep, tomorrow i`ll find a new better RM*. :\
If I would find a Lightning supporting my best friend who is my CW partner, so yeah, i`d let him having it so he`ll make a higher damage output while we`re going to CW.
But you`re a liar if you say that you don`t switch RM like every day.

Edit: i`ve picked the last option, simply because if a RM will start to abuse the O option while i`m getting nearly death, i`d not give him a penya, and i`d dump him. Like ashen did. Though I know it wasn`t your case, Mei, that was just stupid @:

To me RMing is not hard because it's all about how you look at it. The harder you try, the faster your partner kills. No partner constantly whines for SF/GT if it ran out by a second or will bitch if you miss 1-2 mobs with HC every now and then. 1v1ers have food so they don't need Heal. There's not exception to this, I have used Meatsalads all the way on my 1v1s and I never needed Healing during normal grind.

SF-GT can be actionslotted and HC can be spammed with F1, you need to rebuff 5-6 times an hour while most 1v1ers need to re-selfbuff every minute or two (think YJ's, I think they use buff skills more often than RM's)

[yoyo1992]

For me i find leveling my RM harder than my blade. It's not hard.. just harder. It involves alot more moving especially when you're Hc'ing and you gotta be aware of aggros and such.

I've only found had 1 Rm who actually Gt +Sf'd on time while Hc'ing. Others just sf+gt when they rebuff me then leave it.

And yes, Rms do need money. If my main was an Rm and my only char, how else would i get enough money for the 105 set and lgs?

[Kyrosiris]

Originally Posted by psychorvs

Not all classes use Lights to level, they could've sold it and bought other gear. You had 3 permanent partners? LAst time I checked permanently was not a relative understanding.

When a "permanent" partner reneges on the contract we established when I took the position, they're no longer my partner. Or is that too hard to understand?

Edit: And had you read the topic (which apparently seems beyond you as well), you would've seen that all three people I'm talking about were Blades. Now, if we're in Bizzaro World where Blades don't need Lightnings and are actually nice people, then maybe?

Originally Posted by psychorvs

Juggling 12? If I'm juggling 4 you can't even buff 12 things on me. Some experienced RM you are...

I made one mistake (should've been 10, hurf a durf) and my argument's invalid? lolk

Originally Posted by psychorvs

FYI, RM Heal won't help a 100% if Mobs in Volkane are doing over 5k crits. Unless you can Heal 5k, and then Heal all the other hits as well in 1 Heal or Rain. I Pill and food frequently as do other AoE-rs. Food extends the limit of your AoE capability.

Okay, fine, a 1v1er with a good RM will not need heals. I don't level much with AoEers - most of them are out of my level range either lower or higher.

Originally Posted by psychorvs

But then again what do I know I only play a Master 9x Ele and Master 7x RM, I dunno shit about RM and fighters.

Regardless of if you do or not, you sure act like you don't.

Originally Posted by psychorvs

Run away and board? Never had problems running away from even Popcranks. AoEing doesn;t require attention? ok...

And those times when aggros spawn virtually on top of you? And any RM that would "run away and board" while their partner still has mobs on them is a giant pussy who doesn't deserve to be leveling.

Originally Posted by psychorvs

No? :> FSed Kern's first 120 on it and he did not complain. Neither did I getting less than 0.01 a kill. Grind, bitches.

*golfclap*

[meimei]

Originally Posted by Kyrosiris

And those times when aggros spawn virtually on top of you? And any RM that would "run away and board" while their partner still has mobs on them is a giant pussy who doesn't deserve to be leveling.

I agreed with everything you have said thus far, except for this statement.

If I were aggroed, I would definitely run away and board. With max QS, it takes about 7 secs tops for me to get on a board and then run back to heal my partner. It makes much more sense for me to be getting on board, than for my partner to try and kill that aggro- it's faster, and it's better than having them kill that aggro while tanking another monster that they're fighting (for 1v1- of course, this also depends on their killing speed. If they kill fast enough, I might just have to run for them to kill it faster)

Even as an AoEr, I can't mention the number of times my partner ended up dying or trying to live and not boarding, while I was tanking a ton of mobs without heal. I'd rather them broom so I can grab that mob, and then have them come back to help me.

Of course, this can depend on your equip and such, as well.. sometimes I do stay and not broom, but other times, I don't (depending on if I have sta rings/gstick, etc.)

[psychorvs]

Originally Posted by Kyrosiris

When a "permanent" partner reneges on the contract we established when I took the position, they're no longer my partner. Or is that too hard to understand?

U burn 3 partners and call them perms, thats interesting. I only called one RM my perm and she is still with me today.

Dictionary:
per·ma·nent (pûrm-nnt)
adj.
Lasting or remaining without essential change

Edit: And had you read the topic (which apparently seems beyond you as well), you would've seen that all three people I'm talking about were Blades. Now, if we're in Bizzaro World where Blades don't need Lightnings and are actually nice people, then maybe?

Blades that already have Lights or ones that Aoe. They can sell the Light cna Ultimate Lg Axes? =o

I made one mistake (should've been 10, hurf a durf) and my argument's invalid? lolk

How is pressing 6 x 10 buttons an hour a lot of work. I pressed more typing this post.

Okay, fine, a 1v1er with a good RM will not need heals. I don't level much with AoEers - most of them are out of my level range either lower or higher.

Regardless of if you do or not, you sure act like you don't.

-compares experience to yours-

Why would you be right.

And those times when aggros spawn virtually on top of you? And any RM that would "run away and board" while their partner still has mobs on them is a giant pussy who doesn't deserve to be leveling.

You dying helps your partner how? Gets more aggro's on him. Better run and board. A 1v1er with decent gear can tank a few mobs. Oh wait, maybe you shouldve given him the Lightning money, now he cant. But hey, at least your stick is +10 wind now. :<

*golfclap*

Ty, its more than you will ever reach with your amazing 20 levels of RM experience. -claps-

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by Kyrosiris

A) An agreement was made BEFORE THE CARDS DROPPED that I would be compensated for half of the card's value, regardless of if they used it or not.
B) Two of the three sold the fucking cards.
C) All three of them told me in no uncertain terms to fuck off after they dropped, reneging on our past agreement which we made when I became their permanent RM.

You expect too much from people, why should they pay you half the price when the extra damage goes directly into your exp per hour? Even if they sold the card and got better weapons/armor etc it'd help you out greatly. Permas should work to get the most exp possible for both of them.

Originally Posted by psychorvs

Juggling 12? If I'm juggling 4 you can't even buff 12 things on me. Some experienced RM you are...
FYI, RM Heal won't help a 100% if Mobs in Volkane are doing over 5k crits. Unless you can Heal 5k, and then Heal all the other hits as well in 1 Heal or Rain. I Pill and food frequently as do other AoE-rs. Food extends the limit of your AoE capability.

That's along the lines of what I was saying in the other thread about sharing drops with leechers/RMs. Ring masters don't always do 50% of the work in situations like that. Hell I can almost solo as many mammoths with BP buffs than I can with the majority of RMs I've partnered.