[Rutiene]

REGISTER TO REMOVE THIS AD

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

No, but according to science we've only been here a short while. I'm telling you to go back then, and tell me if we really did evolve. That's what I'm saying. You're misunderstanding everything I'm saying.

According to the Bible we've been here for shorter.

And fossils do tell us that we really did evolve. Unless those are fake and planted there by aliens?

Of course that is based on evidence and again by drawing conclusions from what we see right now. Science is completely open to the idea that there is more to it. Which is why we must be taught the foundation to progress more. "We stand on the shoulders of great men."

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

I haven't said anything about what they taught me on it. So you have no idea what my understanding of it is.

I have a pretty good idea from your responses.

[Dr. Slick]

Originally Posted by Rutiene

According to the Bible we've been here for shorter.

What does that have to do with anything at all?

Originally Posted by Rutiene

And fossils do tell us that we really did evolve. Unless those are fake and planted there by aliens?

Explain that further.

Originally Posted by Rutiene

I have a pretty good idea from your responses.

You really don't, this is just here to get at me, so just keep going with the debate and get these meaningless comments out. They are really unnecessary.

[Rutiene]

Originally Posted by SlickD

Wow. Are you joking? I needed Science to graduate. Everyone in my school district needs science to graduate. Don't argue with me about things I KNOW about and have BEEN through because that just makes you sound really ignorant. I've been here, and I've needed to pass at least two classes of Science to get my credits.

Right, which will bring you to Grade 10. "All the way to graduation", meaning every single year. So unless you failed it a bunch of times...

And as I've said before, evolution, with all of its complexities, should never be taught before Grade 11 due to how it should be introduced.

Having science being apart of the graduation requirements for the first two years is also reasonable, as I've said before, it is setting the foundation for a type of thinking that is required to survive in the academic world.

[Dr. Slick]

Originally Posted by Rutiene

Right, which will bring you to Grade 10. "All the way to graduation", meaning every single year. So unless you failed it a bunch of times...

And as I've said before, evolution, with all of its complexities, should never be taught before Grade 11 due to how it should be introduced.

Having science being apart of the graduation requirements for the first two years is also reasonable, as I've said before, it is setting the foundation for a type of thinking that is required to survive in the academic world.

What in the freaking world are you talking about? I just graduated from high school, from grade 12.

[Rutiene]

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

What does that have to do with anything at all?

I don't know, you tell me. You're the one who brought it up.

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

Explain that further.

We see fossils. We see fossils change. = Organisms changed back then as they change now.

Like I said, drawing conclusions from evidence that have been found via the scientific process.

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

You really don't, this is just here to get at me, so just keep going with the debate and get these meaningless comments out. They are really unnecessary.

I only say what I mean. Not to provoke you personally, but to provoke thought.

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

What in the freaking world are you talking about? I just graduated from high school, from grade 12.

And you were forced to take Grade 11 and 12 science? Cause you said 2 credits. And high school is from grade 9 - 12, is it not?

[Dr. Slick]

Originally Posted by Rutiene

I don't know, you tell me. You're the one who brought it up.

Brought what I didn't bring up how the bible was shorter than what science says. That was all you, Ruti.

Originally Posted by Rutiene

We see fossils. We see fossils change. = Organisms changed back then as they change now.

Like I said, drawing conclusions from evidence that have been found via the scientific process.

Right but who says that the scientific process is correct? You can't assume that it's correct because it's science. That's just way too much overconfidence.

Originally Posted by Rutiene

I only say what I mean. Not to provoke you personally, but to provoke thought.

All it does is provoke personally, so it's meaningless.

Originally Posted by Rutiene

And you were forced to take Grade 11 and 12 science?

They were a graduation requirement. High school here is 4 years long. You need to take two sciences to graduate as a credit if you fail that, you can't graduate. So in a way, yes, I was forced.

[Snake_eyez6910]

rut, in the states you take science classes from 6th or 7th grade until 11th grade, starting with just basic overall science courses until 9th grade. in NY, at 9th grade you take a geology course, in 10th you take biology, in 11th you take chemistry, and in your senior year physics (though the senior year science is optional). they are not electives, they are requirements. you learn evolution in these classes, because evolution promotes logic- which is why you are required to take science classes. you are required to take 3 years of math, 3 years of science, 4 years of english, 3 years of history. most people take 4 years of science, because senior year physics is really a fun class

religion courses are offered and many public schools, as well as being outlined in world history courses. these teach who the hell knows what, for all i give a damn they can teach whatever books and bullshit they'd like to- so long as it's an elective and no person is FORCED to take it and have their views warped by it. there is no logic here, there is a flawed fundamental idea promoted out of fear and tradition.

as i said before, teaching it in public schools as a requirement is a serious cultural regression. you might as well cease to teach chemistry courses and describe the reactions between volatile liquids as 'happy accidents caused by god' without further thought put into it. really, why question ANYTHING at all when its so convienant to just say 'cause god did it, i'm not at fault'

[Rutiene]

Thank-you snake. That is a very interesting system

Evolution being taught in Grade 10... understandable. But would never be comprehensive enough as for people to truly understand it the intricacies behind it. And even so, I see no failing when I ask that evolution be taught in science and creationism being taught in religion.

[Longknife]

Originally Posted by Rutiene

According to the Bible we've been here for shorter.

And fossils do tell us that we really did evolve. Unless those are fake and planted there by aliens?

As you can see Ruti, those fossils were placed there by Athiests to try and make us not believe in the Lord.

Clearly, you need to be visiting ObjectiveMinistries.org for kids more often.

[Dr. Slick]

Let me clear a few things up, Ruti. I was never on either side. You probably just assumed (I don't know, I'm not sure what you thought) I was religious because I bad-mouthed science and you, for some reason, like science.

But seriously, I'm not on either side. In my opinion, neither side can be trusted as to who holds the truth.

[Rutiene]

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

Brought what I didn't bring up how the bible was shorter than what science says. That was all you, Ruti.

? I only brought it up because you said that science said we've only been here a short time. I was a little thrown off by what you meant by that. I almost thought you meant that only by observing something directly, could we know something exists.

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

Right but who says that the scientific process is correct? You can't assume that it's correct because it's science. That's just way too much overconfidence.

The scientific process is NOT science. It makes science. It is logical thought and organized problem solving. So unless you're saying logical thought is useless...

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

All it does is provoke personally, so it's meaningless.

Then I apologize. I was only asking you to re-evaluate what you believed to be evolution.

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

They were a graduation requirement. High school here is 4 years long. You need to take two sciences to graduate as a credit if you fail that, you can't graduate. So in a way, yes, I was forced.

You're being forced to take a science for the purpose of learning logical thinking and because it is a benefit for you to have such skills in the outside world. I'm talking about higher level science, Gr 11 and 12 included. 9 and 10 are very basic, which very little extrapolation.

[Snake_eyez6910]

Originally Posted by Rutiene

Thank-you snake. That is a very interesting system

Evolution being taught in Grade 10... understandable. But would never be comprehensive enough as for people to truly understand it the intricacies behind it. And even so, I see no failing when I ask that evolution be taught in science and creationism being taught in religion.

you're taught evolution in 10th grade, though not thoroughly. for your senior year you have a choice between physics, no science, college biology, and college chemistry. both the collegic level courses go into great depth and give college credits, the college biology goes extremely in depth concerning evolution

Originally Posted by Longknife

As you can see Ruti, those fossils were placed there by Athiests to try and make us not believe in the Lord.

Clearly, you need to be visiting ObjectiveMinistries.org for kids more often.

please tell me that isn't a real site with that picture really on it. please. i dont even want to look.

[Rutiene]

Originally Posted by Dr. Slick

Let me clear a few things up, Ruti. I was never on either side. You probably just assumed (I don't know, I'm not sure what you thought) I was religious because I bad-mouthed science and you, for some reason, like science.

But seriously, I'm not on either side. In my opinion, neither side can be trusted as to who holds the truth.

No I don't. o-o You're just saying that evolution shouldn't be taught because it's not 'fact'. And that is one of the misconceptions held by most of the population that really annoys me. Not to mention, I see a failing in that very logic, since we don't know many things for sure. But at least science tells us to question, whereas religion tells us to just accept.

Evolution is immense. I like evolution. Science... I just think is logical. I happen to be religious in many of my beliefs, I embrace them along with evolution in my own way. I believe in independence of thought above all else.

[Dr. Slick]

Originally Posted by Rutiene

? I only brought it up because you said that science said we've only been here a short time. I was a little thrown off by what you meant by that. I almost thought you meant that only by observing something directly, could we know something exists.

I didn't say that, I said that you will never really have proof that something happened unless you were actually there, you know? Like if you truly, seriously think about it. It makes sense.

Originally Posted by Rutiene

The scientific process is NOT science. It makes science. It is logical thought and organized problem solving. So unless you're saying logical thought is useless...

I am if you really have no true proof. I mean, you can seriously look at something and say that it was us like 40 million years ago, you can test it for age process or whatever, you can compare it to ours, but you will NEVER have solid proof. It's completely and utterly impossible.

Originally Posted by Rutiene

Then I apologize. I was only asking you to re-evaluate what you believed to be evolution.

It's cool.

Originally Posted by Rutiene

You're being forced to take a science for the purpose of learning logical thinking and because it is a benefit for you to have such skills in the outside world. I'm talking about higher level science, Gr 11 and 12 included. 9 and 10 are very basic, which very little extrapolation.

I've taken those classes, Ruti, I've been into in-depth evolution discussions and theories. I know what it is, I've studied it. Snake eyes just said that 12th grade biology is as in-depth as can be.

[Dr. Slick]

Originally Posted by Rutiene

No I don't. o-o You're just saying that evolution shouldn't be taught because it's not 'fact'. And that is one of the misconceptions held by most of the population that really annoys me. Not to mention, I see a failing in that very logic, since we don't know many things for sure. But at least science tells us to question, whereas religion tells us to just accept.

Evolution is immense. I like evolution. Science... I just think is logical. I happen to be religious in many of my beliefs, I embrace them along with evolution in my own way. I believe in independence of thought above all else.

You say this and then say that my ideas are completely and utterly void because I'm thinking WAY beyond science. I've gone WAY past that and realized that you can't know everything for sure. You can't know ANYTHING for sure. Ever. THAT is what makes me mad. I'm telling my opinion, and its not a misconception, I'm telling you what I think.
EDIT:
By the way I'm also saying that religion is false as well. Why teach either if we all know that neither of them are fact. Science is basically telling me that something happened but that I should question it, right? What the hell kind of teaching is that?

Scientifically, if a tree falls in the woods and no one was around to hear it, it doesn't make a sound.
Tell me that science isn't flawed. Science isn't the correct way to say things are right. At least not for evolution.