Violent media does affect our generation significantly, but if you notice most of the stuff considered violent media has an age warning and a rating (T, M, etc).. if anything they should increase the security of those ratings being upholded rather than hold a burning.. which in itself is reminiscent of burning people thought to be a blemish to religious society. I'm not saying that's how it is, I'm just saying that the roots of the practice in religion = unclean (then again, it's that way with most things). Things like that are what influence today's youth to be closed-minded.. which in the current state of things is definitely not a good thing to anyone in the long run.. except to anyone wanting to use their new closed-minded sheep, of course.
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Re: Game Burning: It's the New Book Burning
Submitted by HurricaneJesus - June 9, 2008 at 7:43 am -0500
I would love to go there with a stack of fucking bibles and throw them into the blaze. This is insanity at its finest.
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Re: Game Burning: It's the New Book Burning
Submitted by Father Time - June 9, 2008 at 11:18 am -0500
At first I honestly thought you said you would throw a stack of fucking BABIES into the fire. Although that would be really cool and possibly inspire another generation of dead baby jokes.
Then again throwing babies into the blaze would be insanity at its finest hmm maybe we can do that then somehow blame the church (I kid).
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I lol'd. This person has a good point though: Religion can be used to justify anything, because it's not proven and anyone with an aim to do so, can. For example, there's nothing in general wrong with Islam.. except that some people are now using it to justify senseless killing. Christianity justified the crusades. Etc. If you look around the internet a bit, you can find that the modern day NIV bible is only a tiny fraction of the original works and what's left has been modified on top of previous modifications.. I dunno how I could trust anyone proclaiming that to be the truth. :\
Religion was probably founded on the desire for people to have a purpose in living and understand their place in the universe. I'm not saying god came about that way, but the practice of religion seems to have. Now that we have science to do that for us, what of religion? In the days of old, it was 'your religion is wrong, mine is right, we're taking over your country and conforming you because you're different and that makes you savages; but we can save you'. Example: England vs the native americans. Now it's science vs religion, and one thinks the other is insane while the other thinks the former is being spoonfed elaborate lies by the devil.. what's next?
I figured this was different enough from Longknife's thread to post. dx I could be wrong, though.
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I don't see the debate here. What's the debating point?
Religion vs. Science? Been there, done that, we bascially come down to quoting Bible verse at one another.
What you believe is what you believe, trying to push you out of it is just going to make you dig your heels in.
So, if that's the debate point, then the debate is done, I can just post a link to the text of the Bible and the Descent of Man, that's what the thread is going to turn into.
Also, good to point out that religion and belief (atheistic or theistic) are very different creatures; belief is a feeling, a way to make sense of your life. Religion is a codified system of rules and stories that have little to do with belief, and more to do with rules. You can have both, but it's important to realize that they're different. Religion can't make you believe, and you can believe without having religion.
Anyway. /thread, religion debates are old hat flame wars waiting to happen.
Actually my point was those last two words: what's next? After science vs religion, what comes after that? What's there to combat the winner? Surely there's something. If religion can be used to justify anything, and science can be used to put a stop to them (by force), then what of the next thing? Will they balance out as well or will one annihilate the other? Etc.. along with all the questions/what ifs that follow.
It's not at all about science vs religion itself. The 'debate' was rather what is the next thing and its effects. Sure, religion and science can't really 'die off' but if the people themselves were pit against each other and one severely reduced the numbers of the other, what would be left to challenge the stronger power? Since it's pretty open ended there's room for difference of opinion; hence a debate. o.o
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I don't see a problem with a bunch of random idiots burning games as long as they don't make it a policy to track down all copies and burn them. Burning a few copies is as much free speech as the games themselves. Who does this really hurt? They still have to buy the games so the companies get their money. They're not going out trying to wipe the game off the face of the earth, they're just making a statement, which is their right.
Now if it does get to the point that they're going door to door and demanding people who have nothing to do with the church turn over any copies to be burned, then we have a problem and it would need to be stopped. With excessive force if possible.
I remember hearing about something similiar with Harry Potter books for being satanic too.
Though one has to wonder if it's really wise to burn those plastic cds and dvds. I'd imagine the smoke would be rather bad for one's health.
Well, I don't really understand how game burning ties in with religion vs. science, it's more of a tolerance vs. intolerance problem.
Science doesn't need any power to fight against it, as it openly defies itself as part of the scientific method. When people stop challenging science, it stops being science, and becomes dogma. Without the ability to change itself, science loses what it is, and stops progressing. Even religion serves to strengthen science, as it provideds skepticism, which should always be present in the scientific community.
Religion isn't really based on the same ideals as science, the two only butt heads in a few areas, to be perfectly honest. I've never seen a reverend, for example, telling us that the idea that ice becomes water through the infusion of thermal energy is wrong, and ice melts only through the power of god. Neither does science usually come along and try to prove that there's no such thing as the soul.
Mind, people use the two improperly to try to make these sorts of points, but they're really not using science and religion at that point, they're just using their own wishful thinking. The idea that religious trances are caused in the body by an area of the brain doesn't in any way discount the idea that religions could be right. It merely says that a certain feeling is created by certain chemicals, not why those chemicals are present, or why that area of the brain exists in the first place.
Likewise, the idea that god created the world has little to do with playing down the theory that stars are balls of burning hydrogen and helium. Really, the best you can say is that god created those big balls of fire, as there's not really that much discussion in most religions about what the stars really are, at least not after the Renaisannce, when science really became science and not a stylized form of logical debate.
Again, I think what you've got in that chaotic quote in the OP is a fight between intolerant people, apparently on both sides of the argument. The religious freaks burning games are intolerant of fantasy violence, and the anti-religious nuts on the other side are intolerant of the idea of the bible being important. Ironically enough, each side isn't striking out against what their real "enemy" is, but at a group that doesn't really represent an opposition of their ideals. You can easily find people who are devout worshippers, and go home to play GTA on their computers, so it's obvious that the Bible and mass media can't be that detrimental to each other.
Im not a big fan of people calling all religious people. Crazy or whatever. Im religious
And you dont see my lazy ass over thair throwing a $60 game into a fire. Shit you crazy if you think im going to purchase a game, buy some karosine and light this shit in the middle of the street. What the hell is wrong with people. Anyway.
Fuck this topic, its been done, done again, screwed and everything im saying has been said countless times. This will eventualy become a, religious people are stupid because thay belive, WTF. And then the religious people are going to point out some random ass flaw in science.
I understand the OP but its been done.
Ill try.
They can burn the games if they want to. Dont know if you need a permit or something to burn some games but whatever. Just more money in the econ. and more CO2 in our atmophere.
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