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Default The Hybrid Car / Global Warming Debate - 05-30-2008, 02:30 PM
  
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personally I dont plan on purchasing in the future a hybrid car now Al Gore might hate me for this lol but heres my opinion on why hybrid cars are hurting the environment...

The Car battery...what do you do with them after your battery is dead throw it away in the trash =.="? sure you save money on gas but since you cant dispose of the battery it hurts the economy in the long run

The Car battery itself will cost a lot of money from google it says its costing 2000-4000 bucks per battery change...that can buy me a lot of gas lolz ^_^ (if that number is wrong can someone correct me on that)

I dont buy into the whole going green inconvenient truth the world will flood over....Al Gore says that the C02 causes our temperature to go up when in fact expert climatologists found out that it is the temperature that effects C02 shown in this video...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XDI2NVTYRXU

anyways if this topic was posted already im sorry for not finding it
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Default 05-30-2008, 03:37 PM
I think that car would be really good.

Gas prices are getting insane in Europe >_>. Twice as expensive as in America. If this keeps rising I won't even be driving anytime soon since it would cost too much money(Bicyle ftw?). I would buy a car like that if it really would be cheaper.
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Default 05-30-2008, 04:01 PM
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personally I dont plan on purchasing in the future a hybrid car now Al Gore might hate me for this lol but heres my opinion on why hybrid cars are hurting the environment...

The Car battery...what do you do with them after your battery is dead throw it away in the trash =.="? sure you save money on gas but since you cant dispose of the battery it hurts the economy in the long run

The Car battery itself will cost a lot of money from google it says its costing 2000-4000 bucks per battery change...that can buy me a lot of gas lolz ^_^ (if that number is wrong can someone correct me on that)
They're covered under warranty. You take it to the dealer, they replace the batteries, and presumably dispose of them properly.

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I dont buy into the whole going green inconvenient truth the world will flood over....Al Gore says that the C02 causes our temperature to go up when in fact expert climatologists found out that it is the temperature that effects C02 shown in this video...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XDI2NVTYRXU

anyways if this topic was posted already im sorry for not finding it
I'm getting a "This video is no longer available"... Anyway


Strawman. No one claimed that the world would flood over. What is claimed is global warming would lead to a rise in sea levels that could flood low lying coastal sities where a large chunk of the world's population lives. Now An Inconvenient Truth probably exaggerates that a bit, but it's already happening.

Second, you're attempting to claim Al Gore is making this stuff up while "expert climatologists" are saying something else. Most climatologists support the basic claims Al Gore is making. A few don't, but the majority do. Yes, some things claimed in An Inconvenient Truth were exaggerated, however, that doesn't mean that because they were they're not happening at all.

As for the claims that warming temperatures cause rising CO2 levels, it seems like a desperate attempt to make the data say what they want it to.
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Default 05-30-2008, 04:04 PM
Do what the Chinese did before everyone had to whore a car or a motorbike there.
Buy a bike and ride it everywhere.
You don't have to worry about gas prices, you are not killing the planet, and you are getting your fat ass off a seat and losing some weight.

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Default 05-30-2008, 04:30 PM
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They're covered under warranty. You take it to the dealer, they replace the batteries, and presumably dispose of them properly.



I'm getting a "This video is no longer available"... Anyway


Strawman. No one claimed that the world would flood over. What is claimed is global warming would lead to a rise in sea levels that could flood low lying coastal sities where a large chunk of the world's population lives. Now An Inconvenient Truth probably exaggerates that a bit, but it's already happening.

Second, you're attempting to claim Al Gore is making this stuff up while "expert climatologists" are saying something else. Most climatologists support the basic claims Al Gore is making. A few don't, but the majority do. Yes, some things claimed in An Inconvenient Truth were exaggerated, however, that doesn't mean that because they were they're not happening at all.

As for the claims that warming temperatures cause rising CO2 levels, it seems like a desperate attempt to make the data say what they want it to.
Sorry the video wont work for you it works for me

Well let me get one thing straight I do believe that the earth is warming I just dont feel like we should be going through this huge "going green" bs its just a way for companies to get you to buy their products because they are eco-friendly. Even if its already happening it was bound to happen making less greenhouse gases will not change the outcome.

Also I am in no way saying Al Gore is making this stuff up but I do know he is wrong in C20 increases effect temperature change and it is the other way around because the the C02 lags behind the temperature already proven in the video and Climate of Fear which I will post for you later on. Al Gore sources come from the IPCC (intergovernmental Panel on climate change) this panel is made up of thousands of climateologist who cannot speak out against the panel and the few that do speak out get labeled as crazy or wrong because the media doesn't hear them out.

Climate of Fear
part 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=0mK3QrnBD8A

part 2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=uJn6gkKacpQ

part 3 http://youtube.com/watch?v=U_RfYKSVb1Q

part 4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmMdLpB2TZ0

part 5 http://youtube.com/watch?v=C2O4HHnuuXI
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Sorry the video wont work for you it works for me

Well let me get one thing straight I do believe that the earth is warming I just dont feel like we should be going through this huge "going green" bs its just a way for companies to get you to buy their products because they are eco-friendly. Even if its already happening it was bound to happen making less greenhouse gases will not change the outcome.
Nopers, it's not. It is in some places, not in others. It's not a global warming, it's a climactic change. Global Warming just sounds scarier, so that's what they use.

When one area warms, the collision of warm air and cool air causes wind, which wicks quite a bit of heat away from some areas. When the hot air cools, it sinks, more wind, more heat being moved around. That's the reason people are worried about more hurricane Katrina events.



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Also I am in no way saying Al Gore is making this stuff up but I do know he is wrong in C20 increases effect temperature change and it is the other way around because the the C02 lags behind the temperature already proven in the video and Climate of Fear which I will post for you later on. Al Gore sources come from the IPCC (intergovernmental Panel on climate change) this panel is made up of thousands of climateologist who cannot speak out against the panel and the few that do speak out get labeled as crazy or wrong because the media doesn't hear them out.

Climate of Fear
part 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=0mK3QrnBD8A

part 2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=uJn6gkKacpQ

part 3 http://youtube.com/watch?v=U_RfYKSVb1Q

part 4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=QmMdLpB2TZ0

part 5 http://youtube.com/watch?v=C2O4HHnuuXI

Well, if they're claiming it's heat affecting CO2, and not the other way around as well, they are. It's a reciprocal cycle. CO2 causes heat to be trapped, heat increases plant and animal activity, creating more CO2, which causes heat to be trapped, so on and so on.


Should be noted that one of the best ways to trap CO2, ironically enough, is to build more concrete structures and more paper libraries. Both trap CO2 when they cure, taking it out of the atmosphere. Alternately, you could bury thousands of trees, plants, and animals, as they also trap oxygen, a major component of CO2.

Also, rainforests, and plants in general, do little to stem CO2 production. They actually release as much CO2 at night as they take in during the day, leaving them as net-zero-producers of O2. Most CO2 is merely being released back into the atmosphere from whence it came so many millions of years ago. The best things to do for the climate would be to eliminate beef production, as cattle produce much more methane and CO2 than human activity does; to eliminate coal burning, as it causes particulate matter to be strewn into the air, making it unbreathable, radioactive (more rads from a coal plant than a nuclear plant); and to begin to restructure our building methods, creating arcologies rather than spread-out homes, which necessitate commuting and waste heat that could be used by multiple buildings one next to another.

Ethanol sucks, it costs more to make it than it produces in energy. Wind and solar aren't powerful enough yet. The Hydrogen cell is, as yet, a distant dream, like cold fusion. Hybrid cars are useful for saving money long-term (sort of, if you can get one for cheap and don't end up with an upside-down loan on the car you trade in), but, again, all the fossil fuels that are saved by using one are used further up the line in producing the cars.

Lowering CO2 emissions will not alter the climate, but it will give the biosphere time to assimilate the CO2 by various methods (dead plant matter being buried, oceans as heat and CO2 sinks, etc.), so it would be a good move, in addition to the lowering of particulates which are inevitably emitted with CO2, and cause the real problems to life.
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Default 05-30-2008, 06:28 PM
Hybrid is a joke. Eventually with gasoiline prices, one of two things will happen:

We will be FORCED to find/invent/use a different method of transportation. Imagine Gas $8 a gallon in America, almost $20 in Europe, and higher in some other places.

Or

Oil companies give in and start operating on a different budget. Gas prices drop and things calm down.

I don't know about you but #2 sounds very, very unlikely. And unlike what Moshi has stated, Hydrogen cell cars ARE available. Japan is working on the infrastructure for hydrogen stations as we speak. Why won't the US see them?

Greed. Oil companies 'buy' politicians and force them to pass certain decisions. When Honda wanted to introduce their new hydrogen cars for public experimentation in America, they were DENIED. Why would the oil companies not let them? Duh, Hydrogen cars, given proper funding and time, will exceed gasoiline cars in acceleration, pollution control, maintenance, 'fuel' consumption, and eventually, price.
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Default 05-31-2008, 01:14 AM
Atm in Europe Gas is already 8-9$ a gallon. =(
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Default 05-31-2008, 05:00 AM
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Atm in Europe Gas is already 8-9$ a gallon. =(
Is that in American dollar or Euro? If that's 8-9 Euro....Holy crap I feel sorry for you...
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Is that in American dollar or Euro? If that's 8-9 Euro....Holy crap I feel sorry for you...
Dollar. I was talking to an American friend a while ago and I calculated it. We dont work with gallon but with liters.

1 US gallon = 3.78541178 liter

And 1 liter is like 1.55 euro here.

1.55 Euros = 2.409475 U.S. dollars

so 9.12$ per Gallon D:

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Default 05-31-2008, 07:36 AM
Still...$9 a gallon....Holy fuckingajkahdfslkh

I would never drive again.
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Default 05-31-2008, 11:15 AM
lol...sierra leone is paying almost 19 dollars=.=" stop complaining people we are moving at the same pace as the CPI index in america

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Default 05-31-2008, 11:32 AM
THe hybrid cars only shine at a low speed but on the highway you have to use gas so there is no point -.-
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Default 05-31-2008, 01:00 PM
I also heard a few more things:

That one of the most major green house gases is in fact Water Vapour. (I heard it was even more so then C02)

Additionally, apparently we'd be able to reduce our emissions more by all becoming vegetarian instead of all cycling to work/school.
Because (allegedly) more gas is produced through the meat/meat production of well... meat and stuff then through our cars and such.

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Default 05-31-2008, 06:31 PM
Well Im not sure about meat, but water vapor? That stuff probably will raise the humidty a bit, but what will that mean? Probably an increase in rainstorms. Don't know about the severity of said storms, but they may increase.

As for it being a greenhouse gas, it doesn't lock in heat like CO2 blankets the earth. Water vapor holds the heat in itself, and covers humans, making us feel hotter. But once it rains and mother nature makes up for the increase in vapour, the heat will be wiped off.
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