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05-22-2008, 11:48 AM
I didn't want to watch the entire video because I couldn't find the part you were referring to. I am assuming you are referring to Obama. Yes, he is patriotic. You don't dedicate your life to politics and have a dislike for your country. The small examples some people point out are ridiculous. Patriotism is about fighting for what you believe is best for the country, and strong support for your countries values, not where you put your hand during a song or a little pin on your coat.
I didn't want to watch the entire video because I couldn't find the part you were referring to. I am assuming you are referring to Obama. Yes, he is patriotic. You don't dedicate your life to politics and have a dislike for your country. The small examples some people point out are ridiculous. Patriotism is about fighting for what you believe is best for the country, and strong support for your countries values, not where you put your hand during a song or a little pin on your coat.
You should watch it again because it was not about Obama is was about president bush and is comments to questions about the war in a iraq and how he answered them. My apologies if you got the wrong link i had to change it serveral times.
Agreed with Bham, this is a fairly confusing question. At first, I thought you were discussing the commentator.
But, Bush, commentator, Obama, it's all the same. Those who work towards making their country a better place are obviously patriotic, no matter how many flags they have on their car, lapel, or lawn.
End of debate, really. All politicians start out patriotic, whether we like them or not.
I like Keith Olbermann ever since his time on ESPN Anyways, I don't think it's unpatriotic I just think that Olbermann is pointing out the reality of Bush's decisions point for point. He is not bashing America but Bush's continued denial of the problems that his decisions have caused for our country during his term as president.
To be able to openly express one's opinions is a part of being patriotic in the USA. As long as you aren't infringing on someone's else's rights then you are free to express your views. Olbermann makes some valid points that can help people to get a more balance view of Bush's decision to war with Iraq. Whether people believe Olbermann's views are the truth or accurate all depends on the individual's perception of our state of affairs.
All in all, this is no more unpatriotic than the rantings of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh who are in a world of their own. I listen to Rush on the radio every now and then to just get an idea of his latest rantings on certain issues. Ann Coulter has offered up some interesting name-calling on occasion
Man, Olbermann has some real fire going in that clip His head looked like it was about to explode!
I've served in the military for 6 years, and i love america. That would mean im patriotic.
But, If I'd ever met bush in a dark alley, I'd fuk him up, take his wallet and tea-bag him. would that take away from my patriotism?
The way I see it, he is NOT the country. i like america, not bush. He is the one destroying our country, and hiding behind the word "patriotism." which is ironic because he was the laziest soldier to ever exist. His military records prove that he was missing 50% of the time. He would've been kicked out and probably be working working at mcdonalds right now if it weren't for his father.
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05-24-2008, 03:38 AM
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Unpatriotic or not, that man speaks the truth about bush. Can't deny it either.
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I live in england and what I read both govenments on both side of the pond have made the wrong decisions, thus wrecking their own reputation. They are both the makers of their own downfall. Both are un-patriotic, not thinking about their own country before others
Patriotism is a tricky subject to define. I was at a ceremonial flag burning ceremony today when a random person came up yelling that these people were unpatriotic because they were ceremonially burning an old flag. He went to tell off the people saying that he was a war vet and that he fought to protect that flag. However all of this occurred at an American Legion building that was established for war veterans.
People like to hide behind patriotism and use it as a shield for themselves and a spear for those who don't have the same beliefs as them.
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05-26-2008, 11:58 AM
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Patriotism is a tricky subject to define. I was at a ceremonial flag burning ceremony today when a random person came up yelling that these people were unpatriotic because they were ceremonially burning an old flag. He went to tell off the people saying that he was a war vet and that he fought to protect that flag. However all of this occurred at an American Legion building that was established for war veterans.
People like to hide behind patriotism and use it as a shield for themselves and a spear for those who don't have the same beliefs as them.
The hell? Some guy was bitching that the american legion was ceremonially burning a worn out flag? Isn't burning the flag like that how you're supposed to dispose of them? I hope someone there told that idiot.
what does it matters, all american presidents don't know what's going on in the world and they think they are always right. They're all the same.
Hmmm. Perhaps you should run, you sound quite the expert.
Very easy to bitch that politicians do a bad job, as we generally only see when they screw up. It's hard to see all the times they prevented something from happening, though.
Not to mention it's not really, when you come down to it, their job to think they're wrong, it's their job to represent American interests, which can't be done terribly effectively if you're apologizing all the time.
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The hell? Some guy was bitching that the american legion was ceremonially burning a worn out flag? Isn't burning the flag like that how you're supposed to dispose of them? I hope someone there told that idiot.
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Yup, that's exactly how you're supposed to dispose of any flag that:
Is torn
Is faded
Has touched the ground
Has been captured in battle by an enemy
Is at a foreign embassy under seige
Is in any way damamged or unsuitable for use.
Which always made me laugh when they had the controversy over whether burning a flag was covered by the First Amendment. It's the honorable way to dispose of the flag, showing the ultimate respect for the symbol of the country by ensuring it doesn't end up in a trash can.
Hmmm. Perhaps you should run, you sound quite the expert.
no thanks,i don't want to waste milions of dollars on fake promises.
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Very easy to bitch that politicians do a bad job, as we generally only see when they screw up. It's hard to see all the times they prevented something from happening, though.
it's not that i don't say politicians can't make mistakes, but they should make less mistakes then other people cause they're chosen as leaders.
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Not to mention it's not really, when you come down to it, their job to think they're wrong, it's their job to represent American interests, which can't be done terribly effectively if you're apologizing all the time.
What the governement thinks that's in Americas best interest might not be in the best interest for the rest of the world, or even their own inhabitants (just look at the 3th gulfwar).
It doesn't matters if Obama is patriotic or not, cause as said above, everyone defines patriotic in his own way.
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05-16-2008, 05:27 PM
Anyways, I don't think it's unpatriotic I just think that Olbermann is pointing out the reality of Bush's decisions point for point. He is not bashing America but Bush's continued denial of the problems that his decisions have caused for our country during his term as president.
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