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Old 05-16-2008, 02:53 AM
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"In July 2005 scientists at the University of Pittsburgh's Safar Center for Resuscitation Research announced they had managed to bring dogs back to life, most of them without brain damage, by draining the blood out of the dogs' bodies and putting an ice cold solution into their circulatory systems, which in turn keeps the bodies alive in stasis. After 3 hours of being clinically dead, their blood was put back into their circulatory systems, and the dogs were revived by delivering an electric shock to their hearts. The heart started pumping the blood around the frozen body, and the dogs were brought back to life. Scientists hope to begin human testing and have already begun discussions with hospitals to use "suspended animation" if everything else fails.

While most of the dogs were fine, a few of the revived dogs had severe nervous and movement coordination damage, causing them to be mentally disabled, and demonstrating behavior that was deemed "zombie" like. This has been pushed further by the media which named them "zombie dogs".[1] There is concern that this technique, if used on humans could result in brain damage similar to those suffered by some of the dogs in the experiment."


in my opinion these scientists are playing god by killing animals and bring them back to life. even though this technique could be used on heavily injured people to give the doctors more time to fix something the odd side effects actually scare me.

so what is your view on this matter?

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Old 05-16-2008, 03:36 AM
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Creepy but if done in a more delicate and developed way it could probably save lives.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:37 AM
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I swear to god thats pretty much how Resident Evil came to be.

The world is a game folks. Lets all meet up when doomsday hits. Just don't get bitten.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:54 AM
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yes but if they actually put this technique to use, will it be done in sufficient amounts to have enough failed ones, which evidently lead to mass group of "zombies"?
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:58 AM
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Old 05-16-2008, 07:04 AM
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wow, i think this is pretty neat. sure its in the initial stages of research and there are kinks to work out but with more time and money, i bet they will develop a fairly reliable procedure.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:07 AM
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Given development, they can pull this off. Also, Zombies are caused by a virus that infects the brain. These dogs are only deemed 'zombie' like because when a person thinks of a 'zombie' they think of a mindless, insentient being.

By damaging the coordination and mental systems, the dogs are rendered lifeless. If they destroy and incinerate all failed subjects, they can prevent any disaster from erupting.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:39 AM
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Given development, they can pull this off. Also, Zombies are caused by a virus that infects the brain. These dogs are only deemed 'zombie' like because when a person thinks of a 'zombie' they think of a mindless, insentient being.

By damaging the coordination and mental systems, the dogs are rendered lifeless. If they destroy and incinerate all failed subjects, they can prevent any disaster from erupting.
If a human goes in and comes out with damaged mental systems, wouldn't that be like killing and burning a mentally handicapped person?

Then again, if it's for safety issues and they sign a waiver, it'd be different
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:26 PM
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these "zombies" are not even close to a safety concern. Its not like they suddenly crave flesh and can spread their condition. They are simply brain-dead. I see no reason to kill them off unless it is their wish. I mean, when you have the choice between certain death or possible life (with a chance of becomming brain-dead) why not give the later a shot?
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:38 PM
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It's just like keeping someone alive on a machine. Would you rather them suffer the torment of being on the edge of life and death? Or would you rather have them be over with the distress?

If it works in Humans, this DOES mean we'd basically be fooling with God's creations, and we would be literally stealing away one of his very powers. If there ever was a thing to punish humanity for, I think God would choose this.
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:02 PM
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If they can refine the procedure, this would save potentially millions of people with treatable conditions who simply didnt' make it because they couldn't get to a hospital in time. Of course the whole brain damage side is a serious problem, but further refining of the technique will hopefully eliminate that as a concern except in extremely rare cases.

As to the playing god angle:

Yes, let's allow belief in a supernatural entity to stop progress in an area of research that could save the lives of millions. Especially since if this supernatural being does exist, he gave us the ability and drive to do stuff like this. Saying it's wrong and playing god makes no sense. Why would god object to a procedure that will save lives?

I don't believe in god, but if I'm wrong and there is one, surely he would approve of us doing everything we can to save lives. Either god doesn't exist and it doesn't matter whether or not he'd approve or god does exist and gave us the abilty to concieve of such life saving techniques and thus would almost certainly approve.
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what gives us the right to decide what dies and what doesn't? personaly I believe in god, not as some other supernatural being but in all of us that makes us want to have absolute control over every aspect there is. every human being wants to be in control of the situation but in this case its:
A. cruel
B. to be honest saving people is not what we should be doing seen as there is pretty much overpopulation.
C. we are animals aswell so if you wanna go drain a dog of all its blood just to see if you can bring it back to life again do it with your bare hands and teeth like all the other animals do.
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Old 05-17-2008, 05:22 AM
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Why can't we just let people die?

There are too many humans as it is. We can't all live forever.
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Why can't we just let people die?

There are too many humans as it is. We can't all live forever.
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Old 05-17-2008, 10:04 AM
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Why can't we just let people die?

There are too many humans as it is. We can't all live forever.
Next time you or someone in your family gets an illness that would lead to death without treatment, I hope you remember what you said here and let them slip away no matter how easily you could have saved them.
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