God also specificly said not to do those things. There was that whole thing with the 10 commandments, as well as another, much longer list full of things not to do. I can't seem to remember the one where god says thou shalt deny life saving treatment to the sick and injured. Perhaps you can quote the part of the bible that god says we should just let people die even if we know how to save their life?
why do you automaticaly assume I'm talking about christianity. I said god not God, therefore just the term god not any specific god.
also if someone gets bullet straight through liver, which is almost always fatal. they can freeze his brain and have 3 hours to treat him.
why do you automaticaly assume I'm talking about christianity. I said god not God, therefore just the term god not any specific god.
I was talking to Aidan who was referring to christinity, specificly mentioning christ. Before that I was referring to a generic creator god.
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also if someone gets bullet straight through liver, which is almost always fatal. they can freeze his brain and have 3 hours to treat him.
If we can't do anything about the injury he'd still die though, just 3 hours later than now. Once again this would only help people we can treat, but can't always save because we couldn't get them to the hospital in time. This will give more time to save them, but if there's nothing we can do about their condition, they'll still die.
Hmmm. Didn't we already do this sort of thing with cryogenics? It seems to me that the people who will take advantage of this will be wealthy, as they'd be the only ones able to pay for storage and upkeep (imagine the cost of air conditioning year round, not to mention liability insurance and pest control), thus it isn't likely to cause any sort of overpopulation. Organ transplants were thought capable of causing the same problem when they were first being perfected (Larry Niven in particular wrote many stories about the issues he had with organ transplantation, including the possibility of it being used as a death penalty, increasing the sentence for even traffic violations to death as the world became more dependent on organs from criminals), and so far, very little of the overcrowding occuring in any areas where it's actually a problem are as a result of organ transplants.
In fact, if you don't want overpopulation, or are all upset about God's will being thwarted, you could do much more damage (or holy work) destroying refrigeration units, sewerage, and antibiotics. Most of our ability to live longer lives is tied to a lack of disease caused by microbes in rotten food and foul water.
Even better, stop welfare, and destroy farm machinery. Cut off the food supply for the poor and you'll have thousands if not millions starving to death, just as God intended when he said to be fruitful and multiply. Oh, wait, he didn't say that he would get mad if we averted death after all, did he. Oops.
Also, on the God angle, what if I said Buddha or Vishnu was in favor of suspended animation? Who would be right? I know you'd say Jehova, because he's your god, but it's just as valid to say that one god loves it as to say one hates it. When you start arguing that one god is superior, and start changing policies with that as your justification, you set the stage for religious intolerance and war.
Also, on the God angle, what if I said Buddha or Vishnu was in favor of suspended animation? Who would be right? I know you'd say Jehova, because he's your god, but it's just as valid to say that one god loves it as to say one hates it. When you start arguing that one god is superior, and start changing policies with that as your justification, you set the stage for religious intolerance and war.
you just assume its one specific god. I was saying that it's like playing god.
these scientists practicaly kill the dogs with a pretty big chance to cause severe brain damage.
taking away any normal form of life they had.
you just assume its one specific god. I was saying that it's like playing god.
these scientists practicaly kill the dogs with a pretty big chance to cause severe brain damage.
taking away any normal form of life they had.
Which means your problem is with the experimentation on animals, not with this procedure. I'm not fond of animal experimentation either. However, sometimes it's the only way to advance science. It should be avoided as much as possible, but there are times that it is necessary.
How does anyone know God's will? If God made man in his own image then it would be safe to assume that God understands that man will eventually wish to create life and stop death. When God gave man free will, to think for ourselves and the ability to choose right or wrong then no matter what we do it is all apart of God's will good or bad.
But back on topic.
I don't really see how this could be used in emergency cases. It seems that it would be time consuming and would require a lot of extra equipment. It just does not seem logical in a life or death situation. I could be used in case where people are on life support waiting on organs or other things. I don't like how this is being tested and I just had to say that.
There are some questions that I have but I need to read the wiki first to see if they are addressed or not. But I wonder what effect would this have on the blood banks? Blood can not be kept forever and the body holds about 5.6 liters of blood. If this was to become a standard practice then would the amount of blood donated have to increase to keep up with the demand? And since blood donation is voluntary the amount could decrease instead of increasing which could lead to blood shortages for people that need it right then and there. If that makes sense.
Actually, why don't they apply this type of thing to blood itself? To basically suspend everything in the blood cells, it would preserve blood for years!
I think blood cells are damaged by the freezing process, or at least the plasma forming ice crystals screws everything up.
But I don't mind the process itself, like any other medical procedure, you don't have to take part in it, you have the choice to tell them to shove off if they want to use it on you. However, banning it for everyone because of a group's personal convictions is kinda selfish and in my view wrong.
Then perhaps organs? Maybe if they just refined it to where blood could be kinda chilled to the point of no progression, but it does not form crystals?
I can see the positive effects, however, they'd probably only be available to the wealthier individuals.
Then perhaps organs? Maybe if they just refined it to where blood could be kinda chilled to the point of no progression, but it does not form crystals?
I can see the positive effects, however, they'd probably only be available to the wealthier individuals.
With Organs they use chilling techniques to extend the window of time to transplant organs. Same with blood, we refrigerate it to slow down decay, but it still is delicate stuff and only lasts a couple weeks.
Ah. We couldn't do this to humans as long as in fiction then. Like Austin Powers was 'frozen' for almost 30 years. In reality, his blood and organs would have tarnished after 3-4 weeks?
Then honestly the use of this is questionable. To save a life, say a person needs an organ transplant in a week, but the next donor is in 3 weeks. We could suspend them for 2-3 weeks until the organ is ready to change out. Easy, huh?
Austin powers would've kicked the bucket, more due to our inability to revive frozen people than to any damage caused (although we don't exactly know the damage the freezing process causes)
The situation I see this being used in is for those requiring major transplants that can't be fulfilled with living donors. Keep someone down for long enough until a new heart becomes available.
But you said the Organs and blood will tarnish after 3-5 weeks. Would this mean we'd have to suspend them for 3 weeks, re-awaken them, let them thaw out, and then re-suspend them again and again until a new donor becomes available?
How long does the process take? I can't find it anywhere on the wiki. If it's almost instataneous, it could help like gunshot victims (Shot in non-critical areas like the arms, insignificant abdomen, legs) from loosing more blood than needed. Then again, you could just "freeze" the area around the gunshot.
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