but the case right now is majority of the building that collapse are all low story school building which doesnt make sense since all those high building survive but school only like 2-3 syory height fell?
and no im not talking about the builder but the company whose responsible to build those school including the gov. official approve them, not "rich and educated" is not an excuse for everything
you know those people often face the situation of bad school or no school at all. sure they werent build to withstand earthquakes, but afterwards everybody is smarter. its like marie antoinette's "let them eat cake".
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you know those people often face the situation of bad school or no school at all. sure they werent build to withstand earthquakes, but afterwards everybody is smarter. its like marie antoinette's "let them eat cake".
dont judge every part of china is the same. where is earthquake happen is not a very poor region, they should be given enough money to build proper requirement school *well they have over 7000 school for sure right?* the case right now is clearly someone has taking money from where it should spent on to their own pocket
and this selfish, greedy "mistake" has causing many children's life, u cant just say "oh, we will learn afterward""
oh please :P where u seriously think all those money the gov. official has coming from?
even the chairman of china now are only getting less than 1k USD per month, not to mention the local gov.
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well yeah. finding somebody to blame on is now the first priority.
>_>
and no i never said its the first priority, but of the reason why ONLY so many school are affected should be investigate
stop been sarcastic, it not something to be joke about *especially point to that heartless bastard of we all know who*
Well, even though the area that the earthquakes occured in isn't particularly poor by Chinese standards, it's only been recently that China has begun to industrialize its economy, and as such it's not terribly surprising that a lot of buildings aren't up to snuff. Take a look at what happened in the U.S. and Europe during their Industrial Revolutions. I don't think it's about how rich the area itself is, even in the U.S. it's not uncommon to see a "rich" area riddled with slums (Washington D.C., for a very embarassing example). It's about how rich the people who are paying for the schools are. I'm certain that, like most wealthy people, the Chinese who were becoming wealthy thought private schools would be a better option than public, and thus, as usual, public schools have gotten the shaft, as only poor children go there. The rich, whose children do not attend the public schools, cry out against more taxation, and the poor, who actually use the facilities, don't have the ability or influence to change their situation.
Keep in mind this is based on my understanding of U.S. public school systems, I honestly have no idea how Chinese schools are financed, although it's probable that it's a similar situation in China. (Rich go to private school, poor to public, rich don't want taxes, poor can't pay them)
Guor's comment wasn't necessarily that everyone is educated by disaster, but it's a valid point. Very often, we let saftey procedures slide in order to save time or money. After a disaster, it's common to see an overabundance of safety reform and people sticking to the letter of the law. That's why it's always safer to fly on an airline that's just suffered a major accident, or to drive in a car that was a death-trap the last season. When people are alerted to the reality of danger, they tend to be more careful as a result. We can only hope that this shows people in China, and all over really, that earthquakes are a serious and real danger.
Heard today, btw, that rescue efforts are winding down; it's been six days, and very few are expected to have survived this long.
well again, im not talking about all those building, becoz with earthquake this size, its impossible for building not to be destroy or taken damage, but the HUGE amount of particularly elementary and middle/high school has torn down are just ridiculous
even from the news has announced, the ratio of collapsed public building, schools are the highest of all
anyway, i am no mean that they should discuss this now, but afterward if some people are responsible for this and they better be damned
I saw that on the news o.o
They had this whole thing about how a lady and her child were trapped for a day or something and they finally got them both out, alive
And it was all happy
And then they finished the update by showing you a scene of three woman screaming their lungs out because their mother was still inside
Question: is it the number of schools that's causing their notoriety in the news?
Or the number of deaths of children inside the schools?
You can bet it's unlikely that the schools would be as big in the news if the earthquake had happened at 7 at night. No death = no story. No story = no coverage.
Always worth questioning why the media picks the stories they do. Also possible that due to their size, the schools were more likely to be damaged severely than homes, although NPR has numerous accounts of homes damaged by the earthquake. It's likely that the tragic-death-of-a-child angle is making stories of collapsed schools more popular, thus making it look as though more schools were hit.
Really, though, either way it's a big tragedy, whether the schools collapsed due to incompetence, or they were just as damaged as other buildings. Six days and people still unaccounted for? Don't care if it's a school or a home, that's still tragic.
Question: is it the number of schools that's causing their notoriety in the news?
Or the number of deaths of children inside the schools?
You can bet it's unlikely that the schools would be as big in the news if the earthquake had happened at 7 at night. No death = no story. No story = no coverage.
Always worth questioning why the media picks the stories they do. Also possible that due to their size, the schools were more likely to be damaged severely than homes, although NPR has numerous accounts of homes damaged by the earthquake. It's likely that the tragic-death-of-a-child angle is making stories of collapsed schools more popular, thus making it look as though more schools were hit.
Really, though, either way it's a big tragedy, whether the schools collapsed due to incompetence, or they were just as damaged as other buildings. Six days and people still unaccounted for? Don't care if it's a school or a home, that's still tragic.
its the number of school, so almost ~7000 schools
number of children are still unknown, but the earthquake happened 2:30 afternoon, so expect to be a lot of kids inside the school when it happened.
also some school are built higher than it should ever be *5 story max by law*, also 1 of the reason why people are complaining
there is no question at there are more home got destroyed but for public building, school has the highest number
I don't think forming a debate in this thread should be necessary. What we really should be doing is to empathise and to help by donating if we can.
One thing I want to rectify though is that these areas are poor. Maybe SiChuan or a few other major cities are not too poor, but many of us are forgetting about the villages. You may think, villages, huts and stuff, planks of wood and straw roofs can't kill. But you're forgetting about land slides, rocks, rivers above villages that have been overflown due to mountains of material plummeting into the water causing flash floods. Out of the 5x amount of small villages in China that have been majorly effected only 1x or so have been treated. The other 4x are still a blur and it is not because we're not attending, it's cause we can't, due to scarcity of resources or simply cause we can't even get in there. Because the areas affected were built in like a landscape basin with surrounding mountains encircling these villages, the earthquakes have destroyed most if not all transport ways when the mountains fell inwards. The topography is the worse in this case. Medical equipment is scarce, amputations have occured with no medical resources at all. Trucks and machines have taken too long to get to the place. It is horrible.
I cry everytime I watch news about it; of one old man carries a basket like a backpack with all he could get and 10 bowls in his hand as a memoir of his family that all died. He slowly walks his 15th km that day sobbing all the way. Of a wife who survived but has a husband who is trapped under metres of concrete. The army asks her to leave first, to go to safety but she refuses to. They are unable to save his husband under the rubble because the rubble moving trucks can not get into the area. She stands next to his husband metres above, crying.
I want to remind everyone these stories are not exaggerations. I am not trying to make you guys cry, I am trying to tell you what has happened. This is not an issue of whether or not this or that, it is a event that happened. I honestly don't give the crap about any political shit about this. I just feel that we should do what we can as people who live on the same planet but survived just cause we live across the ocean. I know cause I am Chinese, that this means much more than me to many others but I honestly want to tell people how big of a problem this actually is because some people really don't understand the magnitude of this disaster.
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