actually communism doesnt exclude fascism at all. nazi is short for nationalsocialism, and most of the votes for the nazis were from labour class back in 1930s. yes. politically, one is extreme rightwing and the other is extreme leftwing, but their ideas and methods are very similar to eachother. its like the political spectrum closes itself to a circle where the extreme left and the extreme right meet eachother.
Fascism is a government, faction, movement, or political philosophy that raises nationalism, and frequently race, above the individual and is characterized by a centralized autocratic state governed by a dictatorial head, stringent organization of the economy and society, and aggressive repression of opposition.[1] In addition to placing the interests of the individual as subordinate to that of the nation or race, fascism seeks to achieve a national rebirth by promoting cults of unity, energy and purity.
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Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.[1] It is usually considered a branch of the broader socialist movement that draws on the various political and intellectual movements that trace their origins back to the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution[2]. Communism attempts to offer an alternative to the problems believed to be inherent with capitalist economies and the legacy of imperialism and nationalism. Communism states that the only way to solve these problems would be for the working class, or proletariat, to replace the wealthy bourgeoisie, which is currently the ruling class, in order to establish a peaceful, free society, without classes, or government.[3] The dominant forms of communism, such as Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Trotskyism and Luxemburgism, are based on Marxism, but non-Marxist versions of communism (such as Christian communism and anarchist communism) also exist and are growing in importance since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Although couched in different terms, the aims of both Communism and Fascism aren't that much different. They each seek to take control from the oligarchs, or some other group (note in Germany, the Jews were considered to be oligarchs, or at least richer than the "real" Germans), and put it in the hands of a supposedly benevolent state.
Both forms of government have taken stringent control of most aspects of people's lives, especially their social, economic, and religious aspects. Both also pruport to be beneficial, while inevitably being turned into authoritarian states. They do differ in how they achieve their aims, and what the stated purpose of each is, but they turn out to be fairly similar.
It's really just an example of the failure of humanity to be able to keep a good thing going, really. I'm sure there were many fascists who thought that what they were doing was for the good of humanity, as long as it didn't get out of control, and I know there were many communists who thought the same thing. Unfortunately, when the top man is seperated from the people by a sea of greedy underlings, it doesn't really matter what the original order was, it's going to get loaded down with avarice on its way down.
Note that republican countries face the same problem, when the ruling legislature tries to improve the position of their constituents (and sometimes themselves), by adding amendments to every bill they can. What you get is a lot of people who think they're doing the right thing and doing a bit for themselves as well, and what they're really doing is ruining the lives of those they're trying to serve.
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05-16-2008, 10:03 AM
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Only positive outcome I see here is, I brought up this video to my russian friend, and when she heard the dudes bitching about foreigners taking jobs, she said "WTF there's SOOO many jobs there! Enough for everyone!"
Perhaps if something happens and foreigners charge in there regardless, that could lead to a good change.
Or perhaps biblical prophecies say a lot of things...Weren't we supposed to die in 2000? And 2006?
2000, the Y2K bug was just a man-made fiction-tale.
2006, another man-made hoax.
I know this is off-topic but the bible states this will happen at the end of the age of whence jesus came to the earth. He came right on the change to the age of Pisces, and the age of Aquarius starts in 2009-2012 (No exact date is known by me). Jesus even said in the bible to his disciples, "When you see a man carrying a pitcher of water come to your town, follow him into his house and listen to him." Man with a pitcher of water? Aquarius.
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2000, the Y2K bug was just a man-made fiction-tale.
2006, another man-made hoax.
I know this is off-topic but the bible states this will happen at the end of the age of whence jesus came to the earth. He came right on the change to the age of Pisces, and the age of Aquarius starts in 2009-2012 (No exact date is known by me). Jesus even said in the bible to his disciples, "When you see a man carrying a pitcher of water come to your town, follow him into his house and listen to him." Man with a pitcher of water? Aquarius.
I heard that was in 2150.
And point was, those 2000 and 2006 ones were LABELED as biblical. So who's to say this isn't just another one that got labeled biblical?
Humans like to believe they have some importance. There was a poll asking Christians how many of them thought the second coming of Jesus would happen in their lifetime, and the large majority said they think it'll happen.
As I've said, I heard a 2150 date for that same occurance, yet you say you've heard to 2009-2012 date. I doubt yours more, not because I wanna believe the one I found is right (CUZ I ALWAYS RIGHT, RITE?? ), but because I do think there are people who wanna believe they'll live to see something important happen. Hell, when I heard that theory about the Aquarius crap, I was like "FUCK, I wanna be here in 2150 to see if anything interesting happens... D: "
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05-17-2008, 12:12 PM
We might've had our different sources. As far as WHEN the Aquarian age starts is an approximation. Some astrologists believe it started decades/centuries ago. Some believe it is coming soon and a few believe it is a long time from now (2150).
However true that humans want to feel important. It is said that everyone is going to die before the judgement. Not a single human will be alive on Earth during this time. We do know one thing about it though, It will not be a flood, or the rising sea levels. God left us the rainbow as a covenant to Moses that he would never destroy the world with water again. Most say Global warming will destroy us.
No telling until it happens. Though you can feel it in you, take a look outside and try to see more virtue than sin. It's just not possible anymore.
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you guys dont actually believe this, do you? @_@
Well, take a step outside. Especially if you live in America. It's also bad in many othe rparts of the world. Every deadly sin is becoming a normal thing, every sacred thing in our world is being tarnished. People don't give a shit, they kill for fun, they destroy when bored, they steal when angry, the do not forgive, they steal our possesions and your loved ones if they can. The magnitude of humanity's sickness is reaching unthinkable levels. Watching all of this happen really makes you feel it in your bones. Something bad is going to happen soon and there's no stopping it.
Whether it be just a huge world revolution, or the Final judgement, something's coming, I just know it.
Really? It's never been that way before? There was never killing and war and stealing before? I think you'll find that overall it's not really as bad as you like to make out. Warfare is less widespread, thievery diminishes as people become richer, and if I remember correctly, the inicidence of violent crime in the U.S. is down this year, and has been for a bit.
And what is "sin" exactly? Do you mean gay marriage and illicit sexual practices? Worshipping other gods? Saying the name of Jehova? Working on Sundays? We've been doing all that and more for many thousands of years, probably millions, and the world has reliably neglected to end every single day for all those millions of years. This false perception that the world is getting worse is caused by an increase in the availability of media, combined with a strong conservative patch after WW II, when the U.S. was coincidentally quite rich. Thus, our national mythology ties together a dreadfully oppressive time with the Golden Age riches of yesteryear. If we'd all been hippies after WW II, it's just as likely we'd be lamenting the conservative nature of people all over, their reluctance to be open about their bodies, and the decline in the quality of pot we've been smoking.
Regardless, none of this has fuck all to do with the subject.
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Really? It's never been that way before? There was never killing and war and stealing before? I think you'll find that overall it's not really as bad as you like to make out. Warfare is less widespread, thievery diminishes as people become richer, and if I remember correctly, the inicidence of violent crime in the U.S. is down this year, and has been for a bit.
And what is "sin" exactly? Do you mean gay marriage and illicit sexual practices? Worshipping other gods? Saying the name of Jehova? Working on Sundays? We've been doing all that and more for many thousands of years, probably millions, and the world has reliably neglected to end every single day for all those millions of years. This false perception that the world is getting worse is caused by an increase in the availability of media, combined with a strong conservative patch after WW II, when the U.S. was coincidentally quite rich. Thus, our national mythology ties together a dreadfully oppressive time with the Golden Age riches of yesteryear. If we'd all been hippies after WW II, it's just as likely we'd be lamenting the conservative nature of people all over, their reluctance to be open about their bodies, and the decline in the quality of pot we've been smoking.
Regardless, none of this has fuck all to do with the subject.
Personally I'd be more worried about how like...there's a climate crisis? Global warming??
And since this issue came up, weather disasters have been going totally apeshit?? We're getting more hurricanes and tornadoes, and in areas and ways they don't normally occur. D:
BUT YAH I THINK RUSSIA SHOULD FIX THIS SHIT BEFORE THEY FIND THEIR COMMUNITY FILLED WITH RACISTS. D:
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05-15-2008, 02:13 PM
), but because I do think there are people who wanna believe they'll live to see something important happen. Hell, when I heard that theory about the Aquarius crap, I was like "FUCK, I wanna be here in 2150 to see if anything interesting happens... D: "
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