[Morgawr]

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I'm glad that longknife understands me.. yes, I read through all your wall of text because that's exactly the same situation I found myself into these days and it's really troubling me...


What I'm saying now, and what I've been trying to say all over this thread, is that it's the girl's decision to either stay with her boyfriend or come to me... and no, I'm not trying to take her with force so it's not rape because she's willing to do it (in the case she decides me over her boyfriend).

In love and it war everything is allowed.. that's how the saying goes and I kind of agree even though it's a bit corny, what is really the main point of the argument is: why should I give up on something I didn't even have the occasion to try? Do you really think the girl knows every person in the world and decides to go with her boyfriend because he's the one who fits her best? No, she could have made a mistake and only because I arrived last, her boyfriend has no rights over her to decide for her to stay with him. I see a girl who's already engaged and I turn my back? No way, if she's the person perfect for me why should I just give up? But now I'm repeating myself so meh, I hope I made my point clear enough.

On a side note though, if the girl/woman's already married, I would never try to hit on her since there's too much at risk there, family happiness, kids and everything else that, in the long run, would just damage her and her whole family.. and that's not what I'd like to make happen to the person I love.


ps: thanks for the backup Aaerdan, longknife and sinner >.<

pps: I never said girls are sluts, I just mean that if the girl finds someone else better than her boyfriend, and that someone else is me, I would never refuse the girl only because she has a boyfriend.. It's just a matter between me and the girl, her boyfriend has no rights over her.

[Zanzan]

I stole my best friend's potential girlfriend.

\o/!

[sarcasm]I have no morals whatsoever.[/sarcasm]

Both of them were giving mixed signals, claiming they weren't interested in each other, so I just went ahead and flirted with her. I later found out they WERE kind of in a relationship already.

After that very rocky and depressing relationship ended a year and half later, I kinda wish I let my friend flirt with her instead cause that was one fucked up gal. drugs, minor crime, anorexia/bulimia, low self-confidence & esteem.

Two years previously, my best friend had a girlfriend and this other dick acquaintance of ours was interested in her and confided in me that he'd fuck her if she wanted. After saying that, he just laughed.

-1 friendship, because I don't like people with that kind of ethic.

[EbilDays]

Steal: To get or take secretly or artfully

That is the definition of the word I am going to go with since we are talking about people and not objects.

As long as they are not married I don't see a problem with trying. People have free will and if they want to stay with their current partner then they will. There is nothing that anyone can say or do that will move another person away from the one they love or want to be with. If a person is going to try and steal someone away from another person at least show some respect and don't do it in the other person face. Don't bad mouth the current partner so to make yourself look good.

It is all good and well that you like someone and want to be with them but remember that they have a choice is this as well. If they turn you down and choose to stay with the other person then let it go. Don't hound them just because you to be happy.

I am going to say just the one thing about "All is fair in Love and War".

Peoplel die in wars and people have been known to die because of matters of the heart. In this day and age people do not value the lives as others as much as they used to. So you must be willing to ask yourself is this person really worth dying for?

[Zanzan]

What's wrong with hitting on a married woman if her husband beats her, or is having an affair with another woman?

Just wondering.

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by Zanzan

What's wrong with hitting on a married woman if her husband beats her, or is having an affair with another woman?

Just wondering.

Well for a start if a husband will beat his wife he'd probably have no problems when it comes to punching guys either, people like that usually have the mind set that their wife is their property to.

[EbilDays]

Originally Posted by Zanzan

What's wrong with hitting on a married woman if her husband beats her, or is having an affair with another woman?

Just wondering.

Do you want to die?

Plus all you are doing is putting the woman into a bad situation. There are a lot more problems that will come up with a married person then with a single person. Legal issue and just plain moral issues that come up with breaking vows and such. I would rather not see all that added stress put on someone already having problems.

[Morgawr]

Originally Posted by EbilDays

That is the definition of the word I am going to go with since we are talking about people and not objects.

As long as they are not married I don't see a problem with trying. People have free will and if they want to stay with their current partner then they will. There is nothing that anyone can say or do that will move another person away from the one they love or want to be with. If a person is going to try and steal someone away from another person at least show some respect and don't do it in the other person face. Don't bad mouth the current partner so to make yourself look good.

It is all good and well that you like someone and want to be with them but remember that they have a choice is this as well. If they turn you down and choose to stay with the other person then let it go. Don't hound them just because you to be happy.

I am going to say just the one thing about "All is fair in Love and War".

Peoplel die in wars and people have been known to die because of matters of the heart. In this day and age people do not value the lives as others as much as they used to. So you must be willing to ask yourself is this person really worth dying for?

I agree.. that's also part of what I tried to explain.. maybe I forgot to tell that "hitting on" an engaged girl should still be respectful for her relationship with her boyfriend.. I'd never talk bad about her boyfriend if I ever wanted to "steal" her from him.

[Longknife]

Originally Posted by aaerdan

Darn.

Longknife beat me to what I would have answered.

Anyway, to put in my two cents' worth: this is a classic example of where the strong will emerge victorious over the weak. Strong in what sense depends on the parties involved ... it could be physical, it could be mental, it could be economic, it could be social, etc.

I do not, however, advocate use of guerilla tactics, although all things being equal, if the relationship is strong and is of the right substance (there is ample communication between them), the third party really has little chance to crash it.

I don't necessarily see this as "survival of the fittest," mind you. xP No offense, but applying survival of the fittest to this situation feels (to me) like trying to find a reason to justify your actions.



I already said, no one WANTS to steal a girl/dude, but people will do it. The justification is simply love. It almost WOULDN'T be love if we WERE able to let it pass us by so easily.





As I said, there's a girl I dig, and I feel she's at least interested in me, though she has a boyfriend. There's plenty of ways I could be wrong. I could be a trusted friend, a short-term flirt, or totally wrong. Either way, trust me when I say I'm gonna keep getting closer to her until I find out she's not for me, get a no from her, or freaking steal her.




And I agree with Morg about people being married being a little too far. I mean, I don't even really see official marriage as important for me. Hell, I kind of find the idea of staying unmarried to the woman I love MORE romantic, because we'd be staying together purely out of choice, and not because there's a legal paper binding us together that will cause us a shitload of work, government paperwork, and change to get rid of.
Still, if competing for a woman's heart is considered a race (LOL I HOPE IT ISN'T CUZ I NO RUN GEWD, LOLOLOLOL), I consider marriage the finish line.
Morgawr samed some good reasons as to why it should be considered the finish line, but honestly those have never come to mind for me. With marriage I simply see it as, a hopeless cause. She'll never change her mind. Then again...I suppose I know several marriages where this isn't true.
But really, meeting an awesome girl who's married, and having no hint of a unhappy marriage, and hitting on her, feels stupid to me. Only with bad marriages you have a pretty good understanding of (probably as in, you knew this girl BEFORE the wedding took place), I would say.





P.S. Just thought I'd mention this funny story.



Generally, when my friend Javier asks about what I think of this girl, or mentions to me how she really only talks excessively to me or whatever, it's followed up by why don't I spill it and just tell her I dig her? I found this funny, because my answer is always "I just can't do it without SOME obvious support from her, and with an issue like that, it needs the right timing." His answer is always, "I don't see why not, I stole my girlfriend from another guy," and explains how she had been dating a dude for three months, he didn't give a shit, and snatched her in an instant. (and I still wonder why the hell he chose such an intellectual, unattractive girl with a loud annoying laugh, when he's basically, a good-looking dumbass)

[KitsuneChan]

gaaah... long answer..
g2g run for school so I'll read them when I can later....
maybe even replying also then if I got something to add

[Curisu]

well i don't see anything wrong with my gf getting hit on by other guys because i know she won't do anything because thats just how she is...shes too shy to flirt back anyways xD but still I wouldn't mind as long as it didn't get physical...once it gets like that some dude is gonna end up with his head on the floor being smashed over and over
but flirting really i think its ok and yeh they aren't your "property" but they devoted theirselves to you so i say yes, in a way your bf/gf can be "stolen"...but if the girl or guy really doesn't care of well such as life...I am still a teenager [18 lol] but i have learned one thing...all teen relationships are about experimenting and being hurt because it makes you a stronger person inside...(saying teen relationships because most people who play flyff are teens ^^

[psychorvs]

Originally Posted by Curisu

well i don't see anything wrong with my gf getting hit on by other guys because i know she won't do anything because thats just how she is...shes too shy to flirt back anyways xD

If that guy knows you're with her and he flirts with her he disrespects your relationship with her, which would piss me off if that happened to me.

[Dr. Polaris]

i wouldn't do it, becasue i ultimately know how i would feel if the same happened to me..although i would grow jealous that the guy got the girl i loved, i wouldn't do much..lets take this case for example...

We wer both new students in this school. She was one of the richest person in hong kong cuz her dad owned over 20 casinos in macau, las vegas, etc, and i was this random boy who was only slightly wealthy,,,anyways, she looked really hawt, and of coz, everyone, including me, started hitting on her..then i found out that i didn't ahve the slightest chance, so i changed tactics and became her friend..today, i am her best frd whos a boy, and we help each other a lot, and i don't really feel attracted to her anymore..but hey, looks like it turned out pretty well

EDIT: @ longknife..what do u guyz talk about..theres this gril that i kinda like, but i can't think of much to say..we talk for aout 5 mins and we run outta topic, and its either me who says i gota do hw and leave, or her that says she has dinner or something..we both know that thats not the answer, but we can't think of anything else to say...eh, maybe we don't *click*..but any tips?

[Longknife]

Originally Posted by polaris43

EDIT: @ longknife..what do u guyz talk about..theres this gril that i kinda like, but i can't think of much to say..we talk for aout 5 mins and we run outta topic, and its either me who says i gota do hw and leave, or her that says she has dinner or something..we both know that thats not the answer, but we can't think of anything else to say...eh, maybe we don't *click*..but any tips?

All I meant was, we both wildly try to keep the convo going. Five seconds of silence is like way too much for us, which makes me think we both have fukn butterflies in our stomache. We don't really rush to say goodbye either.

And what do you mean by tips? xD Just be yourself, and either you'll find you like her or you don't.

[Okami3]

Originally Posted by Morgawr

hitting on somebody you love

I'd be more respectful to someone i love. You're supposed to hit on random hot chicks.

It sure makes SOMEONE out there really crummy, and if they figure out it's you, then you have a premeditated murder
Okay maybe just assault.

DON'T STEAL. 6TH COMMANDMENT

[Morgawr]

Originally Posted by Okami3

I'd be more respectful to someone i love. You're supposed to hit on random hot chicks.

It sure makes SOMEONE out there really crummy, and if they figure out it's you, then you have a premeditated murder
Okay maybe just assault.

DON'T STEAL. 6TH COMMANDMENT

I know.. thanks to my lack of English knowledge I used the phrasal verb "hit on someone" though that's not what I really meant.. but you know.. you understood me D: