[ElderKain]

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Hello

I have this problem. when I exit out of Flyff and restart the game later on.

Sometimes I need to look at a website for help but I have to close out of Flyff,
when I close out of flyff, the gameguard closes also fromthe systemtray.
If after I get the info and I need to get back on Flyff, at the whitescreen part
I get an error popup saying Gameguard is already running when it isn't.
I even check my task manager and it isn't running. I then have to restart my
computer just to get back on Flyff.

If ne1 knows how to prevent this please help.

[Kargor]

GameGuard/Flyff are severly bugged; GameGuard in particular causes massive system damage: it's a Rootkit, which is also the root of the problems :-) It doesn't show up in the Task manager, and it's severly bugged, causing many other programs to fail in various ways since it hacks into the core operating system.

Our general recommendation is to reboot the box after playing Flyff, and NOT do anything important while Flyff is running. What GameGuard does on individual systems seems to be somewhat random --- for a friend of mine it messes up the personal firewall, for another one it messes with Teamspeak, for me it messes with numbercrunching programs. All three of us can browse while Flyff is active, although it's slow as hell.

Note that a reboot will not eliminate GameGuard, but it causes it to be in some "dormant" state, until either Flyff or some 3rd party malware uses it to mess with the system. Deinstalling Flyff will NOT remove GameGuard, so you have to remove it manually to repair the system.

Do NOT install Flyff if the box is imporant in any way.

All of this probably applies to Space Cowboy and other crap from these people as well. I can understand that the games themselves are not top quality, but using what little resources they have to make rootkits instead of working on the game is just...

Occasionally I'm thinking about "virtualizing" GameGuard --- adding a new shell around it and Flyff, so both think they are running properly, seeing the damage they are causing, while in reality the system is completely healthy. But then.... there's only 24h in a day :-(

[Spazbutt]

Poster above me: No.

Gameguard doesn't start on computer startup. Even if it did, it would be easy to remove.

And uh.. gl messing with a ring0 rootkit

[ElderKain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spazbutt @ Jun 27 2006, 01:58 AM) [snapback]84626[/snapback]</div>

Poster above me: No.

Gameguard doesn't start on computer startup. Even if it did, it would be easy to remove.

And uh.. gl messing with a ring0 rootkit
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Well I never said it started on startup. what I mend is lets say I close Flyff. Ok if I try to restart the game again it keeps on saying Flyff is still running then the Flyff closes. I have to then restart my computer just to get back on Flyff.

That was the question I was asking more simplified.

[Spazbutt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ElderKain @ Jun 27 2006, 05:32 PM) [snapback]85249[/snapback]</div>

Well I never said it started on startup.
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You're also not the poster above me. I was talking about this guy:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(some dude @ your mother) [snapback]3[/snapback]</div>

Note that a reboot will not eliminate GameGuard, but it causes it to be in some "dormant" state, until either Flyff or some 3rd party malware uses it to mess with the system. Deinstalling Flyff will NOT remove GameGuard, so you have to remove it manually to repair the system.

Do NOT install Flyff if the box is imporant in any way.
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[ElderKain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spazbutt @ Jun 28 2006, 07:59 PM) [snapback]87038[/snapback]</div>

You're also not the poster above me. I was talking about this guy:
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Woops sorry I must of forgot to read that part, lol
I have a bad habit of Skimming text rather than reading.
I'm sorry if that post as a problem.

[Totakeke]

GameGuard _does_ start at bootup, in a way. It installs a service that starts with an N.. I forgot the exact name. Check for yourself (while FlyFF is running

1) Open the Device Manager
2) In the menu, choose View>Show Hidden Devices

I'd check the exact name right now but FlyFF takes forever and a day to start on my computer. -_-