The Mccain picked Palin, the day Left blogs called on his Judgement. His first "major" discision as a "president" was picked Sarah Palin. Looking at the video you can indeed look at how I look at it and how you look at it, pandering to Hillary supporters.
By saying that this was a major decision and shows "judgement" what does that video say about Barrack?
BO's judgment was that Joe Biden was the best possible vice presidential candidate. Joe Biden says he’s wrong. BO's first major president decision...He got it wrong.
So the poll numbers are not a good indicator? Everyone on the left was refering to gallup when Obama had that convention bounce now that Mccain is up by 5, the polls aren't accurate. Funny thing, I read that in mid-week (aka today, wednesday) everything would balance out...guess they are wrong.
Only delusional Obama supporters would say Palin hasn't done shit when the facts state otherwise. Mccain winning independents, Mccain getting a massive jump from female voters. He's up by 20 in NC. Only down by 6 in New Jersey when kerry was up by 20 sometihng around this time.
Atleast admit the facts, that Palin was more of a successful pick than Joe Biden.
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09-10-2008, 08:12 PM
We'll see what Palin can do after the post convention spike has settled down. Personally I have issues with her stand on allowing there to be debate about evolution vs creationism in public schools. That and her stand on climate change. When someone goes headstrong against scientific consensus, I will be leery of supporting that person politically.
The scenario I think of with Palin is a catastrophe strikes America, and the President is killed. In a situation like this, Biden, with experience in Washington is much more valuable because new political horizons will likely be the last of our concerns. In the same situation I see Palin as a much riskier choice. She's inexperienced, and now thrust into an office where, without crisis, people who have that as their only commitment struggle to balance everything. Now throw in managing a national disaster, and I can see a newbie cracking.
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BO's judgment was that Joe Biden was the best possible vice presidential candidate. Joe Biden says he’s wrong. BO's first major president decision...He got it wrong.
Remember that in politics, what people say isn't always how they feel. The campaign is just doing everything it can to bring back Hillary supporters.
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So the poll numbers are not a good indicator? Everyone on the left was refering to gallup when Obama had that convention bounce now that Mccain is up by 5, the polls aren't accurate. Funny thing, I read that in mid-week (aka today, wednesday) everything would balance out...guess they are wrong.
Give it time. There is quite a lot of it between now and the election. I'd say the numbers will be fairly close in at least a week, with either one winning.
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Only delusional Obama supporters would say Palin hasn't done shit when the facts state otherwise. Mccain winning independents, Mccain getting a massive jump from female voters. He's up by 20 in NC. Only down by 6 in New Jersey when kerry was up by 20 sometihng around this time.
Atleast admit the facts, that Palin was more of a successful pick than Joe Biden.
It depends on how you define success.
Making some cutesy remarks and jabs in a convention speech? Biden did okay, but Palin rocked the house and energized the party.
Discussing foreign policy or even simple federal politics in the debates? I wonder who is going to win...
We'll see what Palin can do after the post convention spike has settled down. Personally I have issues with her stand on allowing there to be debate about evolution vs creationism in public schools. That and her stand on climate change. When someone goes headstrong against scientific consensus, I will be leery of supporting that person politically.
The scenario I think of with Palin is a catastrophe strikes America, and the President is killed. In a situation like this, Biden, with experience in Washington is much more valuable because new political horizons will likely be the last of our concerns. In the same situation I see Palin as a much riskier choice. She's inexperienced, and now thrust into an office where, without crisis, people who have that as their only commitment struggle to balance everything. Now throw in managing a national disaster, and I can see a newbie cracking.
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Are you saying the same thing about Obama then? Base on your remark on experience, Biden and Mccain are more valuable then right?
You're wrong though about the Global warming thing. And here's why.
However, she did say ""A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made.""
While I do believe it's man-made, i'm not expert on it. However as you can see, she actually did something about it. She said it, but she's doing something about it. Can you say the same thign about Obama?
"Other climate change-related measures by the Palin administration have included joining the Western Climate Initiative, a regional cap-and-trade program, as an observer, and opposing a multi-state lawsuit against the Bush administration that sought to regulate greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act."
Making some cutesy remarks and jabs in a convention speech? Biden did okay, but Palin rocked the house and energized the party.
Discussing foreign policy or even simple federal politics in the debates? I wonder who is going to win...
38million viewers seem pretty successful to me, on less channels to boot, which did not include BET and Telemundo (i think, lost source too lazy to google) Obama had 38mill as well. The annoucement alone by John Mccain was brillaint. Took the narrative out of the DNC into Mccain's hand.
How about, all them democrates focusing on Palin when they should be on Mccain who's actually running for President? What about the fact that Obama was suppose to win in a landslide? That doesn't look like it's happening now. And that in itself is a success for the Republicans.
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Who will win the debate? Probably Biden. I won't deny his experience, like I would on Obama. IMO that is Biden's strongest point, experience.
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09-10-2008, 11:11 PM
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38million viewers seem pretty successful to me, on less channels to boot, which did not include BET and Telemundo (i think, lost source too lazy to google) Obama had 38mill as well. The annoucement alone by John Mccain was brillaint. Took the narrative out of the DNC into Mccain's hand.
Not really "brilliant", more like "Campaign Strategy 101".
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How about, all them democrates focusing on Palin when they should be on Mccain who's actually running for President? What about the fact that Obama was suppose to win in a landslide? That doesn't look like it's happening now. And that in itself is a success for the Republicans.
Who said Obama was going to win in a landslide? Haven't the polls been pretty much neck and neck... forever?
The Palin craze will end at the debates, unless the media gets bored with her before then, which is very likely.
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Well actually no Tor. In the current political climate, ideas and policies are more important than experience. A Washington insider as Veep can do very little, while the President has a lot of influence over policy directions. In the scenario I described having ideals does very little if you're trying to deal with the aftermath of some horrific event. If there is an event after the election is finished where the President is killed. I would much rather have Biden in office during the resulting panic and recovery than Palin.
As for the climate change I believe Obama's proposed system would bring greenhouse gas levels down at a rate more consistent with the rest of the World's powers.
Not really "brilliant", more like "Campaign Strategy 101".
Who said Obama was going to win in a landslide? Haven't the polls been pretty much neck and neck... forever?
The Palin craze will end at the debates, unless the media gets bored with her before then, which is very likely.
You were the one saying that a long with them pundits at cnn. Remember when you were blaming hillary because she didn't drop out of the race? Saying that she was going to cost BO the election? I think that was the main talking points for cnbc, cnn, abc news, after Super Tuesday and on. And no the polls have never been neck and neck forever. And no the palin craze ain't over. In 15 years, SNL had the highest rating. She still has a lot of interest. Polls are tightening now. The MSM are screwed up though. Still Obama should be in the lead.
Anyways i'm done with this topic since it's the past now. Hilllary ain't the Nomination T_T Gratz to BO.
The Mccain picked Palin, the day Left blogs called on his Judgement. His first "major" discision as a "president" was picked Sarah Palin. Looking at the video you can indeed look at how I look at it and how you look at it, pandering to Hillary supporters.
By saying that this was a major decision and shows "judgement" what does that video say about Barrack?
BO's judgment was that Joe Biden was the best possible vice presidential candidate. Joe Biden says he’s wrong. BO's first major president decision...He got it wrong.
So the poll numbers are not a good indicator? Everyone on the left was refering to gallup when Obama had that convention bounce now that Mccain is up by 5, the polls aren't accurate. Funny thing, I read that in mid-week (aka today, wednesday) everything would balance out...guess they are wrong.
Only delusional Obama supporters would say Palin hasn't done shit when the facts state otherwise. Mccain winning independents, Mccain getting a massive jump from female voters. He's up by 20 in NC. Only down by 6 in New Jersey when kerry was up by 20 sometihng around this time.
Atleast admit the facts, that Palin was more of a successful pick than Joe Biden.
funny post in retrospective.
choosing palin wasnt that brilliant now, was it?
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10-23-2008, 10:47 PM
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What about the fact that Obama was suppose to win in a landslide? That doesn't look like it's happening now. And that in itself is a success for the Republicans.
Haha, looks like it is now!
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Obama is done! Holy Shit O_o. Sarah single handedly destroyed the democrates without lifting a finger. Watch out, Biden might step down soon.
hahahahahahaha. She is singelhandedly tearing up the Republican party. High level conservatives and republicans have spoken out against her, asked her to step down, and many independents are turned off by her.
Blah Clinton must actually be relieved with the recent changes regarding the economy that she isn't on the nomination to be President. It doesn't matter who gets elected because fixing this mess will require some very unpopular policies. It's not fun being a leader during rough times.
Last time the economy suffered this much we had a World War to pull us out of it. This time we have an ongoing war and diving economy.
Atleast admit the facts, that Palin was more of a successful pick than Joe Biden.
This statement is surprising, even if it was written back when she was elected x: .. although the polls were growing in favor of McCain at the time, it was also around the time of the Republican Party's Convention.
In any case, my mom decided on Obama when McCain chose Palin .. >.> It doesn't seem like she really knows what she's doing, sometimes x: .. but ah well.
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10-24-2008, 06:32 AM
* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
* If you grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, you're a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack, you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* If you name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
* If you graduate from Harvard law School, you are unstable.
* If you attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system, while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
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Atleast admit the facts, that Palin was more of a successful pick than Joe Biden.
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