yep, might go til 90 since the angel bow looks good
but i still have to finish up my ele though
lol I like how it says "boring" in your sig xD .. if you don't like your ele, go lvl your ranger :3
In any case, if you can pull off a 1v1 ranger, I'll give you mad props. I was leveling today, and while 1v1ing an agro waiting for my assist to finish buffing, it was super slow *-* (all the buffs were there-- just rebuffing for the timers)
I would try AoEing for a bit at 75- you can still use the angel bow at 90, after all.. and try 1v1ing again if you want :3 .. well, it's a while off, I guess, since you still have your elementor to work on xD .. so we can discuss then o: .. btw, I hate leveling mages *-*;; I don't know why >.> just not interesting to me..
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=D Thanks for giving me credit!
Your 'Ranger Shrine' looks a lot better than mine
xD .. I spent a whole day making it.. it better be a little better Dx .. and it was your idea.. why wouldn't I give you credit? :3
holy crap. great work youve done there. nice layout too.
based on the experience from both my ranger and knight i have to disagree on the elementing part:
i think most aoers know this: there is a limit to the damage decrease by def/block. which means, for example as a knight, going higher than a certain amount of def is not going to make the received damage any lower. in fact, at that point, blocked damage is the *same* as normal received damage. that minimum damage is level based. which means, once you level up, the minimum damage received from the same mob decreases.
example: a lvl 106 knight with 1.6k def receives around 200 damage from a mammoth. blocked damage is the same. even with 2k def its still 200 damage. however, once he levels up to 107, the damage decreases to 150. (dont nail me down on the numbers, its been a while that i aoe'ed without element at mammoths)
HOWEVER: opposing element decreases that minimum damage (roughly cuts it by half with a +3 elemented suit)
having said that all...
the point is, same element *does* help, but in the in the levels when you begin to level at a mob, for example lvl 90-92 at kerns, you better use an opposing elemented suit, since blocked damage still is pretty high. opposing element also saves you from high crits. people who are finished with muffrins and have to face popcranks (no element) sure experience that. popcranks hit hard without elemental protection.
now once you have leveled a few levels at that mob and feel comfortable leveling there now, not taking too much damage and not having too many near-death experiences anymore, then you can consider changing to same elemented suit.
almost forgot the other part i wanted to say: fire element on the bow only increases fire arrow DoT. water decreases it. fire element even increases the DoT when its against a water mob. but fire arrow DoT still gets a reduce in damage because of water elemented mob. fire element does not increase other skill damage.
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great idea =D first question. how do you endure ksers?
confrontation with those who you share a spawn with is a bad idea. If they start out KSing, there is not much you can do than asking them nicely not to. In a large spawn such as those in azria or in the desert, just avoid bein near them and gather your mobs at the other end of the spawn. the last resort can still be to switch server. at mobs like mushpoie or pinkies, dont start trying to aoe if its crowded already. there is just no point trying.
im not sure if this thread should be made sticky. a lot of people tend to ignore stickys. including me. :/
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03-17-2008, 03:08 AM
mind my language, but holy fuckin shit...this thread is retardedly pro.....i mean..look at the jester united or merc medic centre, its no where near as nice, organized or in depth as this.....although i dun have a ranger and dun really plan on makin one, this makes me wana think about it....
In any case, if you can pull off a 1v1 ranger, I'll give you mad props. I was leveling today, and while 1v1ing an agro waiting for my assist to finish buffing, it was super slow *-* (all the buffs were there-- just rebuffing for the timers)
I would try AoEing for a bit at 75- you can still use the angel bow at 90, after all.. and try 1v1ing again if you want :3 .. well, it's a while off, I guess, since you still have your elementor to work on xD .. so we can discuss then o: .. btw, I hate leveling mages *-*;; I don't know why >.> just not interesting to me..
*raises hand* I confess to being a 1v1 Ranger I'm also a high stamina ranger. I also use Aren. So I'm a non-cookie cutter ranger. I will say this about 1v1 Rangers--they don't kill as fast as other classes. Your crit rate will be kinda low, but you can fix that a litle bit with statted equips/awakenings/jackalope/etc. Just be prepared for in game ridicule for not being the generic "full dex" ranger or "30 sta rest dex" ranger.
I juggle both types, actually. As of since Lv 85, I've been AoEing a great deal. I think going back and forth keeps things interesting. You get tired of AoEing, go 1v1, you get tired of 1v1, go AoE.
Oh and Mei, I saw something REALLY confusing in the guide a second ago. But I'm hungry. I'll look for it after breakfast.
In the end, it will be up to each individual ranger to decide which jewelry will be most suited for him/her. For example, rangers with more STA may find +DEX rings more useful, or rangers with little STA may find +DEX rings more useful. Experiment and see what works best for you.
Maybe I'm just delerious from 2 hours of sleep, but isn't that the same outcome twice for two different scenarios? (High sta vs. Low sta) Or was it... +Dex for both? Was it meant to be like that? *scratches head*
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03-17-2008, 05:15 AM
About the rings, I recommend that:
If you`re on the moderate build that requires restat (means the 5x sta build), then take the Stamrings whenever you fight monsters that are like 5~ levels higher.
If you`re on the full dex build or the 30~40 sta build, then use arekrings forever unless your equips doesn`t give you the option to block tank (which is mostly not the case, it`s really cheap to achieve if you don`t include the restat).
My question: if there`s some ranger lv75, equipping Cruiser set for that case, including maxed fast shot and almost all RM buffs maxed (not including GT probably, I speak about unpartied RM) Will it be a big pain to go gianting? I mean it doesn`t sound too bad, maybe not like blades or BJs but it looks fine yet :X
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*raises hand* I confess to being a 1v1 Ranger I'm also a high stamina ranger. I also use Aren. So I'm a non-cookie cutter ranger. I will say this about 1v1 Rangers--they don't kill as fast as other classes. Your crit rate will be kinda low, but you can fix that a litle bit with statted equips/awakenings/jackalope/etc. Just be prepared for in game ridicule for not being the generic "full dex" ranger or "30 sta rest dex" ranger.
I juggle both types, actually. As of since Lv 85, I've been AoEing a great deal. I think going back and forth keeps things interesting. You get tired of AoEing, go 1v1, you get tired of 1v1, go AoE.
xD Yeah.. your 1v1 ranger-ness is crazy.. xD in a good way :3 .. I probably should have equipped +DEX rings when I was 1v1ing =.=;
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Maybe I'm just delerious from 2 hours of sleep, but isn't that the same outcome twice for two different scenarios? (High sta vs. Low sta) Or was it... +Dex for both? Was it meant to be like that? *scratches head*
Ah no.. that was me being delirious and brain dead from writing so much.. thanks for the catch.
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holy crap. great work youve done there. nice layout too.
Thank you ^_^
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based on the experience from both my ranger and knight i have to disagree on the elementing part:
When I read this I was like .. "I knew I should've asked guor to double check my work before posting .. >.>;;"
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Originally Posted by guorbatschow
i think most aoers know this: there is a limit to the damage decrease by def/block. which means, for example as a knight, going higher than a certain amount of def is not going to make the received damage any lower. in fact, at that point, blocked damage is the *same* as normal received damage. that minimum damage is level based. which means, once you level up, the minimum damage received from the same mob decreases.
example: a lvl 106 knight with 1.6k def receives around 200 damage from a mammoth. blocked damage is the same. even with 2k def its still 200 damage. however, once he levels up to 107, the damage decreases to 150. (dont nail me down on the numbers, its been a while that i aoe'ed without element at mammoths)
HOWEVER: opposing element decreases that minimum damage (roughly cuts it by half with a +3 elemented suit)
having said that all...
the point is, same element *does* help, but in the in the levels when you begin to level at a mob, for example lvl 90-92 at kerns, you better use an opposing elemented suit, since blocked damage still is pretty high. opposing element also saves you from high crits. people who are finished with muffrins and have to face popcranks (no element) sure experience that. popcranks hit hard without elemental protection.
now once you have leveled a few levels at that mob and feel comfortable leveling there now, not taking too much damage and not having too many near-death experiences anymore, then you can consider changing to same elemented suit.
You make very good points that I didn't think about..~ o: .. So, are you saying that reduced damage from a mob is more desirable than the 0's? I personally really liked those 0's x3 .. .. .. but I've never used a stronger element before to testify which is better. I'll take your experienced word for it ^-^
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almost forgot the other part i wanted to say: fire element on the bow only increases fire arrow DoT. water decreases it. fire element even increases the DoT when its against a water mob. but fire arrow DoT still gets a reduce in damage because of water elemented mob. fire element does not increase other skill damage.
Thanks :3 .. I'll add that in.. wasn't sure about the +water-ness regarding fire arrow's DoT. As for the fire element and other skill damages, if you check out the link, power2 tested a +fire elemented bow and found like, a +30 damage increase for ice arrow, arrow rain, and piercing arrow. Not a significant increase, but an increase nonetheless o: .. I was also under the impression fire element doesn't increase other skill damage until I saw the screenies to prove it, which is why I linked it there :3
You make very good points that I didn't think about..~ o: .. So, are you saying that reduced damage from a mob is more desirable than the 0's? I personally really liked those 0's x3 .. .. .. but I've never used a stronger element before to testify which is better. I'll take your experienced word for it ^-^
+3 doesnt make too many 0's pop up to justify it. maybe a higher upgrade, but that would be waste of money.
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Thanks :3 .. I'll add that in.. wasn't sure about the +water-ness regarding fire arrow's DoT. As for the fire element and other skill damages, if you check out the link, power2 tested a +fire elemented bow and found like, a +30 damage increase for ice arrow, arrow rain, and piercing arrow. Not a significant increase, but an increase nonetheless o: .. I was also under the impression fire element doesn't increase other skill damage until I saw the screenies to prove it, which is why I linked it there :3
the last time i tested it was v7 and im pretty sure it didnt increase damage for other than fire arrow DoT. maybe that got changed? what mobs was he fighting against?
Last edited by guorbatschow; 03-17-2008 at 11:05 AM.
About the rings, I recommend that:
If you`re on the moderate build that requires restat (means the 5x sta build), then take the Stamrings whenever you fight monsters that are like 5~ levels higher.
If you`re on the full dex build or the 30~40 sta build, then use arekrings forever unless your equips doesn`t give you the option to block tank (which is mostly not the case, it`s really cheap to achieve if you don`t include the restat).
I've actually found people with that extra stamina (5x sta build) to use DEX rings o: .. and for me, I have a full dex ranger, and I'm using STA rings at the moment because she's not 75 yet. Since it varies from person to person, and from build to build, I decided to just write that it's "to each their own" for that reason x3 .. Some people prefer having a cushion, and others prefer to deal more damage.
But in theory, it would make sense for the full dex build to use arek rings and such :3
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My question: if there`s some ranger lv75, equipping Cruiser set for that case, including maxed fast shot and almost all RM buffs maxed (not including GT probably, I speak about unpartied RM) Will it be a big pain to go gianting? I mean it doesn`t sound too bad, maybe not like blades or BJs but it looks fine yet :X
I don't see why not o: .. the only thing I would be cautious about is the "rage" mode for giants when they're near death. They can crit and hit pretty hard x___x;; .. BJs are better equipped because of their higher crit rate, and they most likely will have a higher upgraded cruiser set and GBow.. but since you have an RM, I think it will be okay o:
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the last time i tested it was v7 and im pretty sure it didnt increase damage for other than fire arrow DoT. maybe that got changed? what mobs was he fighting against?
Perhaps it's worth more thorough investigation :3 .. we are in v11 now, afterall.. I might test it later today.. but probably only up to a +3 elemental upgrade .__.;
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im open to trying out aoe at 75~ but with full dex i dont think ill do any good at it. and im currently grinding my acro. still at 23 T_T
x3 .. I'm a 71 ranger at mushies, full dex AoEr o: .. it's possible :3 .. you just need maxed heap and a good FS.
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oh god, im loving my rm for free plvls.
im hoping to reach ranger in a few days
Dx .. plvl 2 mi plis
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mind my language, but holy fuckin shit...this thread is retardedly pro.....i mean..look at the jester united or merc medic centre, its no where near as nice, organized or in depth as this.....although i dun have a ranger and dun really plan on makin one, this makes me wana think about it....
XDD Thanks so much .. :3 .. hehe.. I think I answered too many questions though.. =.=; .. scared people away ;~;
Eh... so I've been working on this awhile. Finished it last night. It's a tutortial of sorts for rangers and AoEing. It's not one of those "wear this" and "fight with these" and "use this build" guide, it's more of... an explanation on how you use the rangers skills while AoEing (what sequence in which to fire them).
Well, I mostly finished it for Mei, but she wanted me to post it here on my own. Soo... here it is:
YouTube kinda squished it a little. I'll try to find somewhere to upload it for a high res download.
not to say that your sequence is bad... but i prefer using arrow rain a bit earlier, seeing how it has the longest cooldown, but is the aoe skill dealing the most damage as well. probably doesnt matter anyway.
03-16-2008, 11:41 PM
this is a nice thread :]
guorbatschow
I'm also a high stamina ranger. I also use Aren. 
