im a nice guy
but in a game u should have fun! and then i hate it when ppl call u noob and stuff because u take the easy way, and not their way.
so actualy wat hes saying is also that RM ppl are noobish because they need (not always but most of the time) to leach and buff and heal other ppl all the time, and dont do any fighting themselfs.
but they would also be noobish if FS take a fist and become a BRM so they use theyre buffs to become uber
so tempest dont judge ppl, and plz stop playing games if u see them as work, games should make u feel relaxed
thats all folks ^^
Daina plz correct my grammer i suck at that -.-
thanks ^^
haha ok ill do that for you xD corrected a little for readability.
using skill spamming
when levelling. coz
of low dex. but can
have maximum dmg
with high str?.
is this YJ or BJ build becouse it's wrong in both cases, if you mean a YJ build the ideal build is 63-83 dex some sta and the rest dex, bj build is some sta and the rest dex.
my guess is becouse fatal stab isnt as usefull as Penya strike, wich do ALOT of dmg. And Escape is supposed to let you out of "bad buffs" such as slowing and stuff, heard that it doesnt work against sneaker tho :/.
is this YJ or BJ build becouse it's wrong in both cases, if you mean a YJ build the ideal build is 63-83 dex some sta and the rest dex, bj build is some sta and the rest dex.
._. you intend to skill spam until lvl 120? Jester doesnt really get any skills that are spammable, i think that a 63-83 dex build will be faster, Becouse YJs are all about crit, and not really skills.
HUH?? a base dex of 15....and 87% crit?? it is possible with 55% thats crit swing and rasra set, if you give him maxed cannon and dexions+3 thats a total of 80 dex 8*4=32
And that would be 87% crit....One question lifespan. Are you super uber rich that you afford Dexions+3 or a pet or whatever? and a FS rm at all times? and 15% of that crit is from the lvl 90 set, wich you obviusly can only get at lvl 90..........
I...........see o_o(didnt see that coming) Well if your that rich and all (or that the things were you play arent that hard to get and cheap). Then a full str YJ is possible i guess, but the problem is still that Dexions+3 is like for lvl 80+ something, i think. And that means skill spamming to lvl 90 O_o..... Well i think that getting a "normal" YJ build and then at lvl 90 restat to a full str would be easyer.
like u said dainina its just a game so is it even worth fighting over and tempest ga北部
mes are all about fun if u dont play a game for fun dont play the game i followed this guide and im gonna train my Yoyojester til lvl 60 with a bow if u have something against it wel ''deal with it , suck it up''
Like I care? Go do that then, it's the easy way.
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so actualy wat hes saying is also that RM ppl are noobish because they need (not always but most of the time) to leach and buff and heal other ppl all the time and dont do any fighting themselfs
but they would also be noobish if FS take a fist and become a BRM so they use theyre buffs to become uber
so tempest dont judge ppl and plz stop playing games if u see them as work games should make u feel relaxed
Thanks for just repeating what you said. I wasn't judging anyone, so start reading.
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Why the hell do you have to be so aggressive?
LOL. Just take a look at whoever started swearing first, so don't give me this kind of crap.
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Anyway, a acro is a ACRO, they have the right to pick up whatever wepeon they want. Just because BJs now took the jester class and made it into something else deosnt mean a YJ to be cant pick up a bow to manage the first couple of really slow lvling lvls. Would you say the same thing about a mage having a wand and are becoming an Ele? Or a mercenary using swords but are becoming AoE knight?(because most Knights use axes).i don't think you would say the same thing, Because and acro holding a bow is a fool? because you don't like BJs or whatever?
What is a real YJ? Tell me, since you're obviusly so smart, what is a real YJ? i can understand if a lvl 120 BJ went YJ and you would say he's not a real YJ, but why would a YJ that obviusly just took lvl 15-30 to lvl faster using JA? The YJ was a Acrobat at lvl 15-30.
Tell me how did a real AoE knight do while it was a merc? or how did a real Ranger do while it was acrobat?
And if you enyoy taking the slow and hard way out that's up to you, that's what i said, because ppl should do what they feel is more fun since Flyff is a GAME. The most ppl like taking the fastest way out, because they probably think it's more fun.
Tell me..What is the difference between a a lvl 15 acrobat that's going YJ and the other BJ?
The build isn't different for until about...lvl35-45, where YJs start to put str which actually is the thing a yoyo draws power from. Why should someone that does a YJ have to do it differently than a BJ? Yes BJs are the "class" which is easy and all that, while YJs are "supposed" to be harder? Well that's pretty much your imagination isn't it? It's a game, relax lol. so basically yes a YJ build is a BJ build until lvl 35-45. That's were they go different ways.
Here you basically repeated what you said before but in a longer version so:
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I just said that "Real YJs never touch a bow" Want me to quote that for you? That statement is completely true, so until you can prove me wrong, I'll ignore whatever bullshit you crap out.
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And i know what DPS is, but since there is no actual % for the misses, because if the misses were 50% that would mean 2,2k dmg would be 1,1. something like that, but because we don't have the miss% than i just said exp per hour would be more reliable.
Quoted yet again for stupidity because clearly you cannot grasp the content of DPS. Damage per second. That means if you miss, your damage per second goes down, therefore, you kill slower, therefore, I'm right and you're wrong.
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try reading silenthill's guide.
he has 15 base dex. but he
has 87% crit rate =p.
and i'm refering that build
from 15-60. (spamming
of skills). not in jester itself.
Lulwut. Unless you're rich and lv90+, I don't see that happening any time soon.
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it's a yj build. you said that
60-80 dex. but just i said.
that's why i'll use spamming
of skills. so dex is not necessary
this build can do alot of dmg. =p
Lulwut.
Go spam your way until lv90 then, and when you fail miserably at lv62, then you can come back crawling to this guide and take our advice. This build can do a lot of damage only when you use it at lv90+, so when you hit jester, take a good look at the damage you're doing skill spamming, and the damage everyone does around you. But you can use the 83 dex build till lv90 and then restat with your moneyz ^^
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im a nice guy
but in a game u should have fun and then i hate it when ppl call u noob and stuff because u take the easy way and not there way
so actualy wat hes saying is also that RM ppl are noobish because they need (not always but most of the time) to leach and buff and heal other ppl all the time and dont do any fighting themselfs
but they would also be noobish if FS take a fist and become a BRM so they use theyre buffs to become uber
so tempest dont judge ppl and plz stop playing games if u see them as work games should make u feel relaxed
thats all folks ^^
Daina plz correct my grammer i suck at that -.-
thanks ^^
I seriously laughed at this. Seriously. I didn't call Dainina noobish, I just said that she should go deal with it instead of going on about it like it's super hard and everyone should go do it her way or they're stupid for taking the hard way out. Stop sucking up to Dainina and go read my posts please.
This only applies to acros so gtfo with your "Oh but but but rm ppl r n00bs cos dey leach n dun fight demselves so dey got 2 take fist n b brm."
Here you basically repeated what you said before but in a longer version so
You arent even gonna anwser the questions i had for you? Yes i reapetead myself, to make myself more clear. You're not even trying to make a decent anwser? is it because you're to lazy to even try seeing this from everyone elses side, or is it because you think that whatever i say is shit and you're always right? Either way you fail hard. This kind of behavior is unaccetable on a forum, Yes i might have sweared a little, that doesnt mean im mad, but you're behaving like everyone is your enemy, calm down a little before posting.
If you're gonna say that im wrong then you should have facts and thoughts behind you, just saying im wrong is childish. Hey, noone is gonna take you seriusly if you go around saying that someones wrong without anything behind it. So, if you want to be taken seriusly anwser my post seriusly.
Becouse i feel pretty confident that my post versus your post. My win. Becouse i have resons and facts behind my anwsers. You do not. Or is it that you don't wanna anwser to my post becouse you don't have anything to counter with other than "you're wrong"?
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I seriously laughed at this. Seriously. I didn't call Dainina noobish, I just said that she should go deal with it instead of going on about it *like it's super hard and everyone should go do it her way or they're stupid for taking the hard way out.* Stop sucking up to Dainina and go read my posts please. This only applies to acros so gtfo with your "Oh but but but rm ppl r n00bs cos dey leach n dun fight demselves so dey got 2 take fist n b brm."(qoute)
(i did this becouse i was typing my respond to your first post, then came another)
I don't think that he meant that you said i was a noob, i think he reffered in general. Anyway, if you where thinking i wanted them to do i my way you're wrong, i didnt say anything about my way, or specifically your way either. If you read my post you should understand by now that not all like to take the way thats harder.
The only thing you actually said to back you "way" up, was "Real YJs never touch a bow". Now if you read my posts, you'll understand (or not) that that is complete rubbish. back up your opinion, or noone will take it seriusly.
I was just saying that making it harder for oneself, is less fun. At least most ppl think so. Because If you found 2 hotels for the same price but one with better rooms, you would choose the one with better rooms. The one with better rooms might even cost less!
I know that for you,that i guess hate BJs it's a moral thing. But BJs are BJs when they get to lvl 60 and make the job-change. And the fact that a YJ and BJ build is the same for lvl 15-35/45, that makes them acros, that will choose a different way later, they arent BJs or YJs yet, they are acros.
So, IF YOU ARE NOT TO TAKE THIS SERIUSLY, JUST DO US ALL A FAVOR AND DON'T POST ABOUT THIS ANYMORE! If you shut up, i shall shut up also. But if you intend to post again about this matter, i think it would be best if you PMed me instead.
First I said that "Real YJs never touch a bow." Which is completely true.
Then you talked about yoyo acros as super hard to level to lv60, which is not true, then later on you also said that whoever took the hard way were complete idiots. You did not base anything on fact, but on your deluded opinion.
Then I said, no. You were pulling shit out of your hat and so I did not take you seriously at all. I didn't tell anyone that they couldn't use a bow as an acro and then become YJ. I said/implied that if you were going to use bow, don't be a complete ass and say that using a yoyo is stupid because you can get a better room at a lower price with bow. To be fair, you did change your opinion later on.
You also gave me crap about DPS, which was all completely wrong, and I think I've proved that since you haven't bothered to mention it.
I don't see how you "won".
In reply to your questions:
-A real YJ is a YJ that goes yoyo all the way, not some bow wielding person and have the balls to claim that he/she went yoyo all the way. (Which is the case with most)
-As I said before, this only applies to acros, since other classes don't have junk arrow or any skill that even compares (Except maybe Keenwheel after lv60 for STR builds)
-The difference is that, a YJ adds str, while a BJ adds dex. The build isn't any different until lv15. Which is never. Yoyo acros don't pump dex till lv30 something. You'd have to be completely retarded if you thought that skill-spamming to your heart's content was efficient leveling.
Most of the other crap you blurted out were referring to things I did not even say nor bring into the argument.
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I don't think that he meant that you said i was a noob, i think he reffered in general. Anyway, if you where thinking i wanted them to do i my way you're wrong, i didnt say anything about my way, or specifically your way either. If you read my post you should understand by now that not all like to take the way thats harder.
I did not do anything of the sort. He's just some bystander looking to join in and suck up to you for reasons I don't know. Therefore he did not clearly read my post. I just implied that if you were going to use bow to YJ, then don't talk shit about yoyo because clearly you don't know anything.
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I was just saying that making it harder for oneself, is less fun.
"Fun" doesn't necessarily mean you have to level more efficiently or anything like that. Also, other people have different opinions of "fun", and just because you hate it, doesn't mean the rest of the world does too.
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I know that for you,that i guess hate BJs it's a moral thing. But BJs are BJs when they get to lvl 60 and make the job-change. And the fact that a YJ and BJ build is the same for lvl 15-35/45, that makes them acros, that will choose a different way later, they arent BJs or YJs yet, they are acros.
I'm not hating on BJ builds. I just don't like you saying that people who go yoyo till lv60 are stupid for making themselves work harder. Not true, as I said before, not everyone has the same take on fun as you do.
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Yes BJs are the "class" which is easy and all that, while YJs are "supposed" to be harder?
Yes, YJs are supposed to be harder, compared with BJ builds.
I don't think this needs to be in the PMs since it's related to the topic/tutorial, and other people can think for themselves on this bow versus yoyo/BJ versus YJ discussion. I also think this heated discussion is going nowhere since we're both allowed different opinions and I don't really see anything good coming of this "argument".
Also, you can just use the quote tags without the person's name if you want to multi quote but it won't let you as the button has disappeared off the map for tutorial comments.
@Lifespan: If you think full str and skill spam is the way to go until lv90, then do so. But if you look at SilentxHill's guide, he clearly says you shouldn't be skill spamming at lv75, which basically says you shouldn't be skill spamming anywhere above that either. You could do much better with just the normal 83 dex build.
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First I said that "Real YJs never touch a bow." Which is completely true.
Then you talked about yoyo acros as super hard to level to lv60, which is not true, then later on you also said that whoever took the hard way were complete idiots. You did not base anything on fact, but on your deluded opinion.
Then I said, no. You were pulling shit out of your hat and so I did not take you seriously at all. I didn't tell anyone that they couldn't use a bow as an acro and then become YJ. I said/implied that if you were going to use bow, don't be a complete ass and say that using a yoyo is stupid because you can get a better room at a lower price with bow. To be fair, you did change your opinion later on.
You also gave me crap about DPS, which was all completely wrong, and I think I've proved that since you haven't bothered to mention it.
I don't see how you "won".
In reply to your questions:
-A real YJ is a YJ that goes yoyo all the way, not some bow wielding person and have the balls to claim that he/she went yoyo all the way. (Which is the case with most)
-As I said before, this only applies to acros, since other classes don't have junk arrow or any skill that even compares (Except maybe Keenwheel after lv60 for STR builds)
-The difference is that, a YJ adds str, while a BJ adds dex. The build isn't any different until lv15. Which is never. Yoyo acros don't pump dex till lv30 something. You'd have to be completely retarded if you thought that skill-spamming to your heart's content was efficient leveling.
Most of the other crap you blurted out were referring to things I did not even say nor bring into the argument.
I did not do anything of the sort. He's just some bystander looking to join in and suck up to you for reasons I don't know. Therefore he did not clearly read my post. I just implied that if you were going to use bow to YJ, then don't talk shit about yoyo because clearly you don't know anything.
"Fun" doesn't necessarily mean you have to level more efficiently or anything like that. Also, other people have different opinions of "fun", and just because you hate it, doesn't mean the rest of the world does too.
I'm not hating on BJ builds. I just don't like you saying that people who go yoyo till lv60 are stupid for making themselves work harder. Not true, as I said before, not everyone has the same take on fun as you do.
Yes, YJs are supposed to be harder, compared with BJ builds.
I don't think this needs to be in the PMs since it's related to the topic/tutorial, and other people can think for themselves on this bow versus yoyo/BJ versus YJ discussion. I also think this heated discussion is going nowhere since we're both allowed different opinions and I don't really see anything good coming of this "argument".
Also, you can just use if you want to multi quote but it won't let you as the button has disappeared off the map for tutorial comments.
@Lifespan: If you think full str and skill spam is the way to go until lv90, then do so. But if you look at SilentxHill's guide, he clearly says you shouldn't be skill spamming at lv75, which basically says you shouldn't be skill spamming anywhere above that either. You could do much better with just the normal 83 dex build.
I guess your opinion is that a "real" (whatever that may be) YJ never touches a bow and goes through the hardships of using a yoyo all the way.. >_>, Let's ignore tha fact that 2ond job excists, build wise a YJ-to be would be different becouse highest lvl would be 60, but i still think that he would choose to spam JA until he stops putting dex (becouse most YJs to be put dex from lvl 15-35/45 and then str, seems you did it the opposite way..wich may have caused some misunderstanding). Why did they pick up te bow? Because they are acros, and it's faster until it becomes more fun to lvl with the yoyo, basically doing it with a yoyo is slower. Wich...through my opinion, seems to be a thing most other ppl do not like. as simple as that, now there is the other thing to think of, the moral thing. in your opinion a "real" YJ never touches a bow, but i think that it should'nt make any difference when the "YJ" is an acro, obviusly you think the other way, nothing to do about that i guess.
The fact is still there, using a yoyo is slower, and as an acro using a bow would be more effecient. But that is ofcourse if they care about being a "real" YJ, it's not wrong to use a yoyo, and if you are that kind of person that puts moral and that kind of stuff high, the yoyo is fine, because if they choose to they did. But honestly i don't think a noob really cares about that stuff xD, they usually just wants the fastest way possibly to that cool 2ond job lol.
Well the DPS thing kind of confuses me still.. ^o), If you really counted in the misses, then what did you base it on? i was just saying that counting out DPS is harder than counting out exp per hour if you were just basing your calculations on experience.
So a real YJ is someone who used yoyo from the start? Why lol? Becouse then my bfs Ele-to be wouldn't be a real ele, since he uses wands, becouse they are stronger i think. That's just a thing you think, but doesn't really mean anything xD. Becouse there is no reason behind it.
Yes fun is different for everyone, some like to murder for fun and light houses for fun, if taking the slower way you kind of fun, then im not gonna say anything about it, it's just my opinion that most ppl like it fast, and that they dont really care about the "real" moral stuff XD. I don't think they will call themselves a "real" YJ anyway...
Again if more work is fun for you becouse you have that moral thing to think of, ok np. But most ppl (basing off what you yourself said, most YJs use bow either the entire way or at lvl 15-30) like it faster, and obviusly don't care about the..moral thing.
You are right, this discussion is finished, since we have different opinions, this will lead nowhere i guess.
Fun sparring with you
(i thought about using the quote thing but changed my mind ._. dunno why)
So a real YJ is someone who used yoyo from the start? Why lol? Becouse then my bfs Ele-to be wouldn't be a real ele, since he uses wands, becouse they are stronger i think. That's just a thing you think, but doesn't really mean anything xD. Becouse there is no reason behind it.
Nah it still only applies to acros
Well, any YJ impresses me these days. And it is a tad wierd but I respect those who like using yoyos, instead of the fact that they can pwn everyone's face when they hit Jester.
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Yes fun is different for everyone, some like to murder for fun and light houses for fun, if taking the slower way you kind of fun, then im not gonna say anything about it, it's just my opinion that most ppl like it fast, and that they dont really care about the "real" moral stuff XD. I don't think they will call themselves a "real" YJ anyway...
It is slower, I agree, but it might be fun for some people to throw yoyos around. I loved using crossline when I was Yoyo acro. It was fun to see the mob get stunned and spin around.
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