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The Assist Family Guide
FlyffSoul
07-24-2007
Hello, I wrote this guide so everyone can read it and not mess up on any stats or skills that might prove to be fatal later on your assist career. This guide explains what to do if you are an AoE,Str,or Dex assist. It now has a hybrid part and where to train. I laid out all the things you will need...
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By FlyffSoul on 07-26-2007, 03:37 PM
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Sorry for duoble posting but anyone know what makes hybrid build good?Just tell me so I can have a reason for putting it in.Thank you.
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By SilverTears on 07-26-2007, 07:26 PM
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Depends on what hybrid build you want. Anyways if you really want to be a good supporter, the rule of thumb is, that you cannot have str even as a hybrid if you want to have more stats on int.

This build enables you to have enough speed and accuracy to fight if you need to, while being good at support. Like full int you need some good hp boosting equips to survive.

Str: 15
Sta: 15-20
Dex: 61 (81 with max cannon)
Int: rest

This build is the typical mass sta build. Without a high + set you are going to hit misses half of the time. With that amount of sta, you basically never need to pot when you fight monsters at your level. (not sure about the desert mobs, but at that level you either restat to battle or have a partner already) With this build you can tank aggros in mines without any hp boosting equips. The cheap man's build. Still an fs build, but it does lean towards tanking.

Str: 15
Sta: 40-50+
Dex: 15
Int: rest

This build will only classify you as a battle build with more int. Well, at least, you have 10 seconds more gt and sf duration than a pure battle build lol.
Str: XX
Sta: 15-30
Dex: XX
Int: 40-55
Last edited by SilverTears; 07-26-2007 at 07:29 PM.
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By FlyffSoul on 07-26-2007, 07:52 PM
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Thank you Silver.Ill put the 3rd suggestion of a hybrid on another page later.
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By yurilopes on 07-27-2007, 10:50 AM
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Its me again xD
Just a comment about quests... Not all the questsare worth it to do, mater fact most of them arent good and useless.

i recomend people to do all the office quests cause 20% exp is a very good reward. But for general quests i just recomend to do:
---> the 2 wagsaacs quests cause it gives 25% exp at level 21;
---> the mia's quest cause its gives about 150% exp at level 22~23 , some money and a gore +2;
--> the plot of colack, just colect the meteoritils when u are killing hobos.
--> the disappeared play script: this one is great xD i always did it when i just get lvl 44 then i join a party with people that are doing the same quest (if they kill a steamwalker near and it drops the sript u will receive one too). when quest id done i have about 15~20% exp and then i get lvl 45 with 30~40% exp. But if u want u can join a party with doing doing thsi quest at lvl 37 or find an fs to help u ASAP.
--> SAINT MORNING DUNGEON QUEST: u get t at lvl 45 and get about 150% exp in 30 minutes at most. I always do this quest after the script quest, beacause I go from 44 to 47 in 1 hour more or less. To do this quest just go to the SM dungeon (its near small rockmuscle), and then get into the dungeon and colect the next step requirement an scroll in a small room with an altar. After do thsi just kill 8 Ivillis crashers and its done too.


Hope it helps


EDIT: I dont want to make a duble post, but i have some things i just saw to comment:

Just some explanation about names of builds:

The expression FULL SUPORT : as the name sugest it is used to describe a person with only suport abilities, thats why this person is a FULL suporter.
The only real Full suport build is the full int one... But there are builds with some STA called Clock Work/Guild War Full Suporter. They are not "full suporters" as the name sugest but they are te only one suporters who can survive CW rage and can survive enough time in GW.
Last edited by yurilopes; 07-27-2007 at 03:21 PM. Reason: Dont want a double post
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By yurilopes on 07-27-2007, 12:21 PM
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I didn't like ur hybrid explanation and build then i made my own mini-guide and i hope u can use it. The build u posted i really dont recommended because with that int maybe they can be good suporters but not very efficient fighters.


Hybrid Assists: They are not only focused in battle nor in suport, they are the most versatible kind of assist because they can do any one of the two jobs without perfection but with lots of fun. Being a hybrid u will also be unique, and will not just follow the builds every one is using.

Its very hard to make a hybrid assist that are exactly how the description above, to do one this way u will need some equips to get full potential.

Build
Its a build for Ring Master because i think they can do the suport work easier than a bp, but i know some hybrid assist that went bill posters though.
The unbuffed build i reccomend at lvl 60 is:
STR: 47 (put all ur points here now)
STA: 15 (capped here)
DEX: 61 (capped here)
INT : 55 (capped here)
Atack speed: 46 % + 25% (from lvl 20 haste)= 71%

Now this same build buffed (with own buffs --> See the image below):
STR: 51 (47 + 4 from level 4 beef up)
STA: 55 (15 + 40 from heap up)
DEX: 81 (61 + 20 from cannonball)
INT: 75 (55 + 20 from mental sign)
Atack speed: 51% + 25% (from lvl 20 haste) = 76%

-------> Why not have more STA: Well many fs assists go full int so tehy dont have int and just live very well, so a hybrid also dont need STA while suporting. And while fighting StunLock make u safe from hits and the rm skill Protect adds 50 def when maxed, so u will be ok just be carefull to dont be aggroed very often.

-------> Using this build u can have a very good atack speed (91 % with G knuckle) and a nice damage, but ur main weapon will be teh "stunlock" because ur lvl 19 StoneHand gives u a 12% chance of stun ur enemy every single hit, hitting with 91 % speed it will not be hard to make the monster stunned until the battle ends;

-------> But u will not only be a average fighter u will also have nice buff times and a quite good heal amout (especially with good equips), ur assist's buffs will last abround 7: 30 minutes (if they are lvl 20, just with ur buffed int). With this buff time u can be healing ur partner all time.

Buffs: U will need some buffs to make ur build the best possible:
-------> The most important buffs u will need are: Heap UP, Haste, Cannon Ball, Acuracy, Heal, Mental Sign, Stone Hand (just lvl 19 not maxed), Spiriture Fortune.
Dont worry at level 65 u can have all these skills maxed or almost there (see link below)...

------> I highly recommend u to SAVE YOUR FREE RESKILL cause at lvl 75 u will have to choose if u want to get GT or Not, with GT u will be the rm everyone is looking for xD But i will not say what to do at lvl 75 because with a reskill on your hands at this level u will know what to do, so keep in mind the skills i said before.

Shot at 2007-07-27

Now lets see what acessories/weapons/equips u will need to rock:

Rings:
--->while u are fighting: For Rings Vigors/Strentes are the best choice . A Vigor +5(lvl 61) adds 6 STR, so 2x Vigors +5 = + 12 STR. And a Strente + 1 (lvl 57) adds 10 STR, so 2x Strentes + 1 = +20 STR. Vigors + 5 can be bought for ~2,5 mi (Glaphan prices) and Strentes +1 ~10 mi (Glaphan Prices). Each STR point adds 5 points to ur Atack rate (using a knuckle) so +14 STR = +70 points to ur atack rate / + 20 STR = +100 points to ur atack rate.

---> while u are suporting: Intel Ring + 5 (lvl 61) adds 6 INT, so 2x Int Rings = + 14 INT. Each Int point added increase ur assist's buff time by 2 seconds and Rm' buffs by 0,5~1 second (i will not calculate rm buffs) and increase ur heal amout, so + 14 INT = +28 secs of buffs.

Earrings: Without doubt use 2x Mighteer +1 while hunting and, if u can afford it, 2x Plug +4 while suporting . Each Mighteer +1 adds 100 points to ur atack rate, so 2x Mighteers + 1 = +200 points to ur atack rate. Each plug +4 adds 94 def, so 2x Plug +4 = + 188 def.

Necklaces: Gore while Fighting and Gore/Mental while suporting. The higher the necklace the better, for eg a Gore + 5 is better than a Gore + 4 lol. If u feel ur MP is enough use Gore in any situation.

Weapons:
--->while u are fighting: A Guardian Knuckle (costs around 36 mi in Glaphan) will make u very powerfull and able to mob down giants. With a G knukle u will have 91 % atack speed (with the build i recommended) and a very sweet + 15% hp. g Knuckle has also a very good atack rate and u can use it for ever if u want.

---> while u are suporting: A Stick Of Roritoren (costs around 6 mi in Glaphan) would be great for suport purposes because it adds +5 INt and reduces ur Mp consume by 10%.

Equipments:
--> while u are fighting: well u can use all the green sets when u reach the requirement level because they will give u more def. The level 60 green set adds 15% hp rate, + 8 INT and 45 DEF (but has a bit lower def than the blue set lvl 59-62) and will last until the next green set.

--> while u are suporting: The set every FS would like to have will be ur best friend too: teh level 45 green set WEDGE (M)/FLURY (F) will last forever, cause it adds + 7 INT, reduces MP cosume by 20% and reduces 30% of ur CASTING TIME (u will cast heal much more faster).
Last edited by yurilopes; 07-27-2007 at 03:20 PM.
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By Stymie on 07-27-2007, 12:26 PM
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Wow! You've really improved your guide since the last time I checked. MY only other suggestion is to crop the images, so that they appear to be more part of the guide, instead of having to click on them to enlarge them in another window, interrupting the reading process. A pretty minute thing, but syou should probably improves it. Props for taking criticism very well, and actually improving on it rather than just living in ignorance and pretending your guide is perfect.
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By FlyffSoul on 07-27-2007, 07:32 PM
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Wow yuripoles I have to admit the mini guide you just posted blew me away.I will get right on it but I think it will take 2-3 days becuase I need to divide the stat distribution per lvl.Also,I think you really want me to have the best guide here lol.No offence but why are you only helping my guide.There are a lot of shitty guides here that need it more than me lol.Thank you very much.

Thank you stymie.
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By yurilopes on 07-27-2007, 08:39 PM
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Well I play fyff for a long time andwhat i most like is try different builds and combinations, that's why Im goog at. Then u started a very simple guide and I did what I always do Critic it xD

Well I liked ur way to write and just wanted to make everyone knows some experiences, but i dont like to show me so much so i decided to help a younger player, who were you lol.
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By FlyffSoul on 07-27-2007, 08:52 PM
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Thank you.But the Thing is that So many people put guides based on 1 build and 1 class.But I put a guild with everything you will ever need to know about 1 specific class.I will be adding other classes later however.So once I add them this will be the ultimate guide.You will have a major part in it XD.
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By SilverTears on 07-27-2007, 10:58 PM
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Note people do define full support differently. I don't know why, but adding sta or not is personal peference. Another way to increase hp is to level, and that's how full intel tank cw at very later levels. Of course, by that time, they will have hp boosting equips already.

So the little guide I wrote may cause some conflict. But if one uses my hybrid build they can as well say they are fs and still heal well, which is different from the build yurilopes uses. In my opinion if you put more than 50 points elsewhere other than intel then rest int, then it's a definite hybrid. Aoes don't want hybrids with too little intel (ie 60+ points on somewhere else), which mean that you will end up supporting only 1 on 1 players, which a battle RM can do.

About yuril's guide:
Oh.. forgot to add, that people love holycross and gt. Without holycross and gt an rm is just like a bp. Stick of rori suck because of the lack of hp bonus, and 15 sta will let you die fast within a hit in mines without the hp bonus, or with a bow jester that fights mobs 10 levels above. (rofl at my lv.72 15 sta restatted brm). Mp does not matter once you turn RM, since you get a nice boost. With refreshers in handy you will be fine.

If you are really short at points then get gt max first. Res is handy when the fighter dies, so get it to lv.1 too.
Last edited by SilverTears; 07-27-2007 at 11:19 PM.
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By FlyffSoul on 07-28-2007, 01:24 PM
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Well the thing is silver that this is a hybrid not 100% FS. This part of the guide tells people who want to be a hybrid that read this is that they can both level on their own. Im a lvl 51 str assist and there are still many people 10-19 levels higher than me that allow me into their parties just so I can heal/buff them.I have base 15 int so I believe that people with 55 int with fly everywhere with a partner that will alow them to level much much faster than a regular fighter.If they can not find a partner they can switch to their fighting mode and use their intermediate strength and okay dexterity to level them also.Sure its not such good stats but its enough to level them on their own.

Now the build you posted was mostly Dex and Int.It included okay Sta but no strength at all.How are you going to kill a monster with a knuckle without any str.

The build yuripoles is actually very good because it is exactly a 50/50 build.Fs and Melee.Remember that.
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By FlyffSoul on 07-28-2007, 03:46 PM
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I just put in a lot of pictures that represent the section its in of my guide.I hope you like it.
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By FlyffSoul on 07-28-2007, 04:58 PM
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I can not find a picture for the monster training section or the hybrid equipment section.If you ever find one please post it up Because it will brighten this guide and show demonstration in fighting.Thank you.
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By yurilopes on 07-29-2007, 10:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverTears View Post
Note people do define full support differently. I don't know why, but adding sta or not is personal peference. Another way to increase hp is to level, and that's how full intel tank cw at very later levels. Of course, by that time, they will have hp boosting equips already.
Humm definitions can't change its like any word in a dictionary, peopel ca use it with a difeent meaning, but the dictionary can't xD
I agree with u that add is STA is preferrence but i just put the diferent definitiosn because guides are made mainly for newbies so newbies will not get confused.
And ya, hp is increased with the past of levels. But many rms want to ake some money at level 80+ so they must have STA and HP boost equips to do it at this level.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverTears View Post
So the little guide I wrote may cause some conflict. But if one uses my hybrid build they can as well say they are fs and still heal well, which is different from the build yurilopes uses. In my opinion if you put more than 50 points elsewhere other than intel then rest int, then it's a definite hybrid. Aoes don't want hybrids with too little intel (ie 60+ points on somewhere else), which mean that you will end up supporting only 1 on 1 players, which a battle RM can do.
Humm ireally didnt like ur build just becasue it was not a HYBRID build, becasue withou str u can't be a battle too and that's why hybrids are made: double work xD


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Originally Posted by SilverTears View Post
About yuril's guide:
Oh.. forgot to add, that people love holycross and gt. Without holycross and gt an rm is just like a bp. Stick of rori suck because of the lack of hp bonus, and 15 sta will let you die fast within a hit in mines without the hp bonus, or with a bow jester that fights mobs 10 levels above. (rofl at my lv.72 15 sta restatted brm). Mp does not matter once you turn RM, since you get a nice boost. With refreshers in handy you will be fine.

If you are really short at points then get gt max first. Res is handy when the fighter dies, so get it to lv.1 too.
Well i agree that at mines a G Stck is better than a Rori but this guide was made for a low level hybrid rm/ hybrid Assist soon to become rm, then Rori wins. But thats a point: If u are suporting a player that kills monster many leves above urs, or u are at a very dangerous place (like mine cause aggros spawn all time) its better to use HP bonus equips such as a G Stick.


Thank you for added my mini-guide to ur guide, if u need more help just pm me... I really have lots of nice info to give u if u need.
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By FlyffSoul on 07-29-2007, 10:38 AM
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Yuripoles I'm thinking of making a section thats for soon to be BillPosters that can not afford a G knuckle.Im doing that because I know that tons of people cant from personal experience.The only thing I want to know is how much a yakadian knuckle is worth because its like a secondary to a Gaudian knuck.All I need to know is the price so if you know it plz tell me.
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