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i'm not new to assisst types.i was just wondering, since a lot of battle RMs are getting born as flyff ages, i am just wondering if an AoE RM would be viable?

the build at lvl 60 would look something like this:

STR: 15
STA: 88
DEX: 15
INT: 60

(unbuffed)

RMs do have good defensive buffs..very useful for partying.BUT,some defensive buffs can be casted on them. if these buufs are casted on them, DEFENSE will be added. thus, making an AoE RM more eficient in cleaning up mobs in a jiffy.

i haven't tried this build yet.i just would like to know..

this thread is open to discussion and flame me if you want..i won't bother.. :P

[Luri]

First off, you'll be having a hell of a time soloing due to lack of str and crappy Burst Crack damage.

Secondly, the RM AoE is only abtainable at level 80. Unlike other classes, there are NO AoEs ad level 65/70.

Thirdly, Merkaba Hanzelrusha, the level 80 AoE, is a DoT(Damage over time) AoE. Which means, after you cast it, it will have the MH effect on it, and it will take damage slowly. This particular AoE has a 10 sec effect(cools down during that time too) and it hits 5 times during the effect, which means it takes 2 seconds to deal one hit.

Fourthly, this AoE isn't heavily dependant on Int, having 228 int fully buffed, I barely deal over 3k. You'll need like, 500 int to deal 5k or so.. ~_~; So it's not as good as many people thought it would be.

It depends more on skill level and the weapon you're using. Do note, that elemental upgrades DO NOT AFFECT DAMAGE, only normal PD upgrades do.

And another thing... If you mob too many and gets crit out of the area of the AoE, the monsters will NOT get damaged. I don't think running back to the area will help, but you'll have to wait for it to cool down and recast it again.

I did a similar build before, but truthfully speaking, it sucks.

Go for it if you want to, I have no power over what you do, but I highly NOT reccomend it,

[Maverick]

nothing more to say

[FlashOfChaos]

Sum it all up, Dex RM = ok, especially alright if you go hybrid. Dex RM > AoE RM. AoE RM = BAD.

Sure you can mob...but that's the slowest way possible to level. No str, bad BC damage, and you have to wait til 80 for your freakin AoE. Cooldown AoE, doesn't affect every single spot on the map, etc.

AoE doesn't mean you would level fast, no. You need power to combine with Sta to make a good AoE. RMs aren't made to have power, they're made to support. This is the reason why Battle RMs would suck. You need a crapload of Str to be decent, 60-80 Dex to attack fast, 40+ Sta to survive/mob, and some Int to get your buffs to decent minutes. They're too balanced, and balance isn't that good for RMs since they need everything and they can't have everything.


RMs don't have that much defensive buffs. They only have two: Protect and HolyGuard. Protect = 50 more weapon defense at mastery, HolyGuard = 50 more magical defense at mastery. The rest is Attack, Aspd, Healing, AoE, Curing, Enchantment. Defense comes mainly from the Assist skills, such as Heap up and Cat's Reflex(Yes, it's considered a defense skill because of upped block rate.).

Let me know how that build would work out, if you ever try it though. O_O

[syia]

Originally posted by FlashOfChaos@May 13 2006, 05:34 AM
Sum it all up, Dex RM = teh suxx0rs. Dex RM > AoE RM. AoE RM = ultra suxx0rs.

Sure you can mob...but that's the slowest way possible to level. No str, bad BC damage, and you have to wait til 80 for your freakin AoE. Cooldown AoE, doesn't affect every single spot on the map, etc.

AoE doesn't mean you would level fast, no. You need power to combine with Sta to make a good AoE. RMs aren't made to have power, they're made to support. This is the reason why Battle RMs would suck. You need a crapload of Str to be decent, 60-80 Dex to attack fast, 40+ Sta to survive/mob, and some Int to get your buffs to decent minutes. They're too balanced, and balance isn't that good for RMs since they need everything and they can't have everything.


RMs don't have that much defensive buffs. They only have two: Protect and HolyGuard. Protect = 50 more weapon defense at mastery, HolyGuard = 50 more magical defense at mastery. The rest is Attack, Aspd, Healing, AoE, Curing, Enchantment. Defense comes mainly from the Assist skills, such as Heap up and Cat's Reflex(Yes, it's considered a defense skill because of upped block rate.).

Let me know how that build would work out, if you ever try it though. O_O

Flash, you're just asking to be flamed. So I'll give it to you.

You're an idiot Flash. Dex RM don't suck. It's just you that suck. If you see me in PvP Arena. I'll completely disprove you and shut your mouth up saying Dex RM = teh suxx0rs. RM can do more or comparative damage than any other job class SOLO. A STR Build RM does insane damage and the only class to have an interesting play style in PvP. I dislike people like you that say this and that build sucks without first testing it out yourself first hand. So keep those statements out of public view and to yourself please. Stop misleading and mis-informing players of builds they want to try. Don't claim the build be "teh suxx0rs" when they can roxx0r so much.

Back on the subject, yes, AoE RM just doesn't work all that well. Like Luri, who has first hand experiences, I don't recommend it either. While Merkaba does nice damage, even with nearly no INT (I got base 15INT and can do 3.2k base damage per tick with Lv10 Merkaba), but the damage take way too long to have a good killing speed impact.

In most AoE runs, it take more than 10sec to kill a herd, specially at Lv8x. So you'll be relying 90% of the time Burst Cracking while having Merbaka as the opening damage. It's not a good idea to switch back to stick in the middle of the herd. So at most, Merkaba can help you do 10K to 16K damage, that's if they take the full 10sec damage. If you stilll insist on trying, a better build would be STR/STA and not bother with INT. As the damage gain with more INT for Merkaba is very low for the amount of INT you would need to put into it. A FS RM with over 200+ INT does 1K more damage than me with 41 INT (Buffed). That extra 160+ INT isn't worth it for the extra 1K dmg, specially since you'll need some of those 160+ points for STA.

If you have a AoE hunting partner, AoE RM build can work out, but being FS is better for your partner. It's also a lame tactic / idea if you would need another RM to heal you while you AoE with Burst Crack / Merkaba as there are other way better AoE class for that Support RM (that's healing you) to be with than with an AoE RM. AoE Solo doesn't really work out that well at Lv8x+ for certain job classes and RM is one of them.

In conclusion, AoE RM build is to be avoided.

[FlashOfChaos]

Originally posted by syia+May 13 2006, 12:36 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(syia @ May 13 2006, 12:36 AM)</div>

Flash, you're just asking to be flamed. So I'll give it to you.

You're an idiot Flash. Dex RM don't suck. It's just you that suck. If you see me in PvP Arena. I'll completely disprove you and shut your mouth up saying Dex RM = teh suxx0rs. RM can do more or comparative damage than any other job class SOLO. A STR Build RM does insane damage and the only class to have an interesting play style in PvP. I dislike people like you that say this and that build sucks without first testing it out yourself first hand. So keep those statements out of public view and to yourself please. Stop misleading and mis-informing players of builds they want to try. Don't claim the build be "teh suxx0rs" when they can roxx0r so much.

Back on the subject, yes, AoE RM just doesn't work all that well. Like Luri, who has first hand experiences, I don't recommend it either. While Merkaba does nice damage, even with nearly no INT (I got base 15INT and can do 3.2k base damage per tick with Lv10 Merkaba), but the damage take way too long to have a good killing speed impact.

In most AoE runs, it take more than 10sec to kill a herd, specially at Lv8x. So you'll be relying 90% of the time Burst Cracking while having Merbaka as the opening damage. It's not a good idea to switch back to stick in the middle of the herd. So at most, Merkaba can help you do 10K to 16K damage, that's if they take the full 10sec damage. If you stilll insist on trying, a better build would be STR/STA and not bother with INT. As the damage gain with more INT for Merkaba is very low for the amount of INT you would need to put into it. A FS RM with over 200+ INT does 1K more damage than me with 41 INT (Buffed). That extra 160+ INT isn't worth it for the extra 1K dmg, specially since you'll need some of those 160+ points for STA.

If you have a AoE hunting partner, AoE RM build can work out, but being FS is better for your partner. It's also a lame tactic / idea if you would need another RM to heal you while you AoE with Burst Crack / Merkaba as there are other way better AoE class for that Support RM (that's healing you) to be with than with an AoE RM. AoE Solo doesn't really work out that well at Lv8x+ for certain job classes and RM is one of them.

In conclusion, AoE RM build is to be avoided. [/b]

I did try it out firsthand, mind you. My RM was doing horrid damage(Hybrid Dex build.). Buffs lasted fairly short, beating BP buffs only by a little bit. I'm generally saying "teh suxx0rs" to the class, because they're just overall weaker compared to a Dex BP. If they didn't add any Int, their RM buffs would suffer. Bad. They don't have a lot of points to spend on Str, after adding tons of Dex for aspd increases, and Sta to survive. This means that a Battle RM has to be a bit high leveled(7x+? hmm..) to actually have enough of all the other three skills, to be satisfied, and then begin adding loads of Str. In turn, you'll have to grind all the way up to 7x just for the benefit of more damage. Other classes do more damage, compared to Dex RMs level for level.

The build was fun while it lasted, but it wasn't really my style. Horrid buff times, in exchange for faster attacks, while I can't even GT myself? No thanks. Supporting's more of my thing.

Flame me as you will. I expect to be flamed anyways. Nobody's perfect, and I'm simply a human being. Forums are meant for people to help others, spread information and give opinions. I'm doing the third thing here in the first part of my post.

Another thing. Does PvP really matter so much? So what if you've made the super uber build, that owns everyone in the Arena? This game isn't just about PvP. It's also about the ability to grind up to a decent level, make friends and simply have fun. You're going to have to use whatever build you made for the Arena to hunt with too, and some builds are dead expensive to train with. Dex doesn't level up the fastest, but they're worth a shot. Lots of people are forced to go Dex after a certain level anyways.

Lastly, I apologize for that statement about Dex RMs. I'll revise it if you'd like. If you knew me well, you'll know I sometimes are a bit rash/harsh on things, and this topic just made me type something like that. I'm sometimes off my game when I'm a bit tired..so maybe I'll just get some rest. Best be well-rested than grumpy and posting stuff where people will flame me for, eh?

[syia]

A Battle Build RM don't really need any INT at all. Spiritune Fortune and GT timer does not heavily get influenced by INT like some of the other buffs. You need 5INT per +1sec of those buffs. I don't really see what's so bad about 4:30sec (base timer) buffs, as long as you keep them at even levels. With a high level Mental Sign or mastered, you can add 40sec additional life to the buff timer, effectively making them last 5:10sec. If you also have a Stick of Rori (which are becoming more common day by day), that's another 10sec. Which allow most of the important Assist buffs to last up to 5:20sec. At mastered level, you can have it last 6:20sec. That's plenty of time.

While I do agree that the "Ringmaster" buffs will last shorter, namely the Protection buff; under 3 minutes and Holyguard lasting under 4 minutes. However, the other two (SF and GT) doesn't last that much shorter compare to a FS RM. SF10 has a base timer of 50sec. GT has a base timer of 20sec. Since all jobclass has a base 15INT. SF has a base timer of 53sec, while GT has a base of 23sec. Most Support Ringmaster I see has their SF around 1:10 - 1:30sec range and their GT timer in 50 - 70sec range. I personally have 15 Base INT and can make SF last 1:02 and my GT 31sec with the right items and buffs.

But anyway, you said you tried a Hybrid Dex build and it didn't work out for you. Then you did something wrong to made it sucked (aka my statement of "It's you that sucked.") You didn't have to say in general that "DEX" RM sucks, because you aren't one. You're a Hybrid. Either way, while it didn't work out for you, a better statement would've been, "I've tried a Hybrid Dex Build and it didn't work out for me, it's not my style, I wouldn't recommend that build either, but it might work for you. An AoE RM Build would be worst, tho." Instead of aggroantly making a general statement and claiming Dex RM = suxxor, and even if it's just your opinion, it can send the wrong type of influence to other Readers. Readers accepting your opinion and Readers like myself disagreeing with it. I strongly disagree with it, especially, which when it equally translate to All DEX RM sucks (which is how i'm reading and viewing it), which is not true.

Yes the public forum is for helping others, but with a statement like "DEX RM = suxx0r" doesn't help anybody. It help spread false rumor that a build like that = bad = don't make one = make a INT build like me instead. Because the build isn't bad when there are people that are using it and working exceptionally well. Heck, pure INT build can be bad if you don't always have a partner to hunt with. Being nearly pure INT means you can't hardly do anything on your own "effectively." So pure INT build might not work for some players, like me.

PvP doesn't really matter that much, I just added that info saying there are more unique builds (STR build RMs) than the cookie cutter build you seem to enjoy as a near pure INT Support RM.

To some people, they think the opposite too, this game isn't all about getting to higher level, or playing just to grind, please god don't play this game for the retarded grind just to get to higher level. If you play for this purpose, you need to find better things to do with your time. Everybody play for different reasons. I play to find out and discover as much as possible about the game, about my job class, what it can do, what it can't do. How well it can do it. I set goals to reach, goals to make my character better, to make it unique, to stand out from common builds most people follow for the particular job class.

If I made a near Pure INT build like you, I would've quitted this boring game back in January of this year. I wouldn't have been able to amass the wealth I've gained to this date (I've well over 400M penya worth in item value; 2x strente, 2x mighteer, gore+5, 2x Stamring+5, 3xIntelRing+4, 2xIntelRing+6, 3xVigorRing+4, 2xArekRing+5, etc). I wouldn't be able to enjoy solo hunting Giants (to get those rings/necklace). I wouldn't be able to enjoy any aspect of PvP at all. I would just be another backseat player following around another person's command and be lucky to be fed a bone once in a while.

Billposter and Ringmasters are the most diverse class build in this game. Unlike other jobclasses, we're able to customize each of our build to it's potential and uniqueness.

[FlashOfChaos]

Originally posted by syia+May 13 2006, 06:34 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(syia @ May 13 2006, 06:34 AM)</div>

I play for the hell of it! Nah. I prefer to play a game where I actually have a purpose in. This is why I chose a FS RM, anyways. I tried the game out, became a FS assist for god knows what reason..and like it ever since. With the coming of leveling, comes new information waiting to be absorbed. This is why I even bother posting in Flyffworld. I help others, spread opinions, get comments, and LEARN. I'm learning each day, even if it doesn't seem like it. This also supports me in why I play Flyff. I learn stuff all the time, all while meeting new people and enjoying the game in different perspectives.

I started in January. o_O

Your statement about FS' is rude and harsh. Just because some people choose to support doesn't mean they're considered a dog. It's opinions like that, that us FS are sick of. We're a damn class also. We don't need 48784617 people flaming us for this and that. Some RMs have low leveled buffs, yes. What about all the good ones?

Following around another person's command? I choose my own commands. I do what is best for me, and my friends. I'm not one that just stands there, getting pushed around by this and that, used like a er...table? and get thrown away once I become too broken to be used.

Fed a bone once in a while? Some FS just loot away, not caring what the plvler even says. I'm just one of those, that tells my friends about specific items that drop, such as cards, pds etc. I don't care for things like those. I can stand my ground in financial problems, and not rely on others.

FS RMs are basically characters that can actually take up to the plate. Sure they stay behind in battle, but so what? Other classes rely on us. We don't have to necessarily do everything we're told. We're humans too, so why can't we make our own decisions? Expeirenced RMs can do whatever they want, because unlike some people, they already know what to do and so forth. They won't need to be asked to buff, heal, etc. They're experienced for a reason; they know a great deal as to how the battlefield works. I discovered that a while ago, and it's part of why I even bother helping my friends. I randomly go out and support out of parties. I actually train my buffs, when I have the time and patience. I don't bother in Level Distribution, because I don't want to level. Why care about a high ass level, when your friends won't gain a lot of the benefits? I want my friends to outlevel me, not the other way around. I don't want to be the best. I want my friends to be.

....I was caught up in the moment...o_o

<!--QuoteBegin- syia@ May 13 2006, 06:34 AM
Billposter and Ringmasters are the most diverse class build in this game. Unlike other jobclasses, we're able to customize each of our build to it's potential and uniqueness.

That's so true, however. We have tons of different kinds of builds to try out, unlike classes such as Mages. This is another reason why I like RMs. They're so fun because of the many possibilities you can apply to them.

*cough* I think I'm losing my touch as a Flyffer. >_<

[Luri]

Okay, okay, chill, both of you. Flame some more and I'll have to close this. -_-;

[syia]

The flame stopped a while ago when we stopped sending degrading remarks. :P We're just now debating or moving on to casual discussion.

Anyway, yes most RM that I've partied with don't know what they're suppose to be doing, so I'm always telling them. I need heal, I need SF, I need GT, I need protection, etc. I need this and that. When I happen to play the support role for my high level partner, I understand what I'm suppose to do, but sometimes reaction time can be a bit slow due to the lag and I get commanded like I need to buff this and that now!, or if I pick up an item, priority goes to them. You can hardly ever choose your own command as a support class, because you do have to listen to what your hunting partner tells you, or else the hunt won't go well. Cooperation is key. If you don't listen and go about doing your own thing, your partner is gonna look at you akwardly and have a distrust in your supporting ability.

And yes, I'd like to see a Full Support Ringmaster solo a Giant equal or 1 level lower than themselves, aka not being fed a bone from another player, to acquiring items for themselves. You made not have any financial problems, that's probably because you don't have any ambitious goals to get better items, due to the reason that a FS RM have no need for such items. So you can get away for being low maintenance for a while and having lower standards. However, for other FS RM players that are in financial problems, they MUST seek a Giant Hunting partner. An INT Build Ringmaster rely more on others than others rely on them. Practically any job class can make due without an Support INT RM in the game. An INT build Ringmaster on the other hand can't do anything on their own to level at a comparative rate to other class that can solo so much more effectively. My views on a FS RM is harash, it's because of how Flyff Community is build upon. I personally don't treat the RMs I hunt with like trash, I'm an RM too for crying out loud, I love FS RMs, but I don't love being one. However, if I was a FS RM, I'm sure I would've meet many more players treating me as trash, because even as a Battle RM build, some players tries to take advantage of me thinking I'm FS and can't do crap, but once they see I put on a shield and knuckle and kill my own monster, they let out a big O_O and stay silence in awe.

Honestly, I had the same mindset as you awhile back when my friends were still playing. I would allow them to level ahead of me, me helping them, them helping me, unfortunately they irruptively all gave up on this game. So I'm the only one left playing out of the 13 friends I used to play with, these are unique type of friends in which I've gamed with from other MMO games. So I've known them well and for a while. Sure I can make new friends in Flyff, I have made plenty, but I don't get that same feeling as I would be getting when playing with someone you've known for a while (aka months, years), because it still feels like playing with a stranger and I don't easily trust people. I started this game back in late Nov.


"Let your friend be the sword and you, yourself be the sheath."
"If your sword is broken, or gone amiss, let the sheath be your weapon, as no other sword will be able to fit onto the sheath, that once belonging to it."

[FlashOfChaos]

Yes yes...This is rather a long debate. O_O

I am able to choose my own commands, because my friends know I'm experienced. I know what to do in certain situations, such as they're gonna die(Massive heal spammage. Action slot works well.), certain buffs are dying(Instant rebuff o_O, well..usually instant. Might be a bit delayed at times for whatever reasons.), etc. I've had 62 levels to prepare for my level. Shouldn't I at least know when it's time to heal and loot? Instead of letting people die, I usually end up dying myself, instead of the other way around. Why? I'm trying to keep my plvler alive. If I die and lose experience, I don't fret over it, nor spam RESS PLZZ over and over again. We're in a higher leveled place, away from almost all noobs. There's no one to Ress you, especially if your partner is a Knight. Might as well save time and lodelight.

This doesn't mean I don't listen, however. Whenever I go training with friends, be it real training or a free support, I'm always opening conversation. It's boring to train..shouldn't anyone know that by our level? I keep people alive well enough at least. I'm not perfect, so I might sometimes kill people. Distractions causes me to go about with other stuff at times, and endanger peoples' lives. I still manage to stay with them until they reach their training goal of the day. Listening is obviously very important, especially when it comes to a FS. I didn't mean do your own commands, like do other stuff or anything. I meant it as you take your own time to buff, heal, and other junk. It should be easy to predict the future, especially with Knights. They're born Sta whores. They have massive amounts of HP. They can take a few extra hits while I rebuff, right? I always do stuff like that, yet almost all of the time, they don't die.

For some reason, my friends trust me as a FS. I claim to be horrid already, even though I know lots of things about Flyff, especially my own class. Another thing though. I really train with friends only. Maybe once in a while, I'll party some random Knight(If you don't know by now, I'm a Knight whore. So sexy...in their um...plates of armor o_O?), and help him(When is a Knight a girl, really? Only saw like 4 in my life, and never did I ever get the chance to train with one. Too uncommon these days =/ ) reach some % of exp. I enjoy dropping by next to a friend training, because Flyff is obviously boring. I have to find other ways to entertain myself, and that's a reason. Flyffworld is another reason why I even bother posting stuff and helping people. The community's nice, the threads are kept neat, clean and smooth, and people aren't spamming constant idiotic messages like some boards I know..(No, not just the official Flyff site. I've seen sites that'll scare even the pro-est of pros O_o)

Goals? I DO have goals! o.o One of my many goals is to master all my b...err Not relavent. But I still have a goal to get nice jewelry! *cough* I'm wearing regular old stuff right now(2 Sta +0s, and 2 +2 Plugs), and would actually want a nice replacement for those things. Knowing me, I'd instantly pick a Sta +6 ring > an Int +6. Lots of profit ftw....but wearing it is still nice. Sta is great, especially when your jewelry over-does it XD. I gave up on the idea of getting high +'ed Sta rings, after seeing someone trying to buy one for 60m. They're not necessarily needed...So why bother? They're costly either way. I think I'm just gonna go switch to +'ed Int rings for now, because with my heap, I can take hits from many kinds of monsters.

But anyways, my RM already has a night Wedge set, with a Rori stick. That's good enough for support as it is, especially since it's upgraded. I have other characters. I train them from time to time...Now more than before. Hopefully I can get them high enough to boss hunt decently, and maybe help me earn some money. I don't really have that much of an intention to play with more giants, because 1) my characters are sadly low leveled. I need them to be 6x+ to boss hunt properly, because otherwise, it takes up a lot of time and effort, in exchange for items that don't npc for extremely high prices.(unless you're like hunting for jewelry.) and 2) my RM can't hunt himself. He may have decent buffs, but he'll still need food to survive. 4k HP isn't enough to stand loads of hits from a giant, especially since Star Candy only heals 975.

Another thing, I'm rather a bit judgemental on FS RMs myself. I'm very picky when it comes to RMs, but I don't call them names. I prefer to flame them. It's fun. You should try it out sometime!

*cough* JK. But still. Loads of RMs these days are leveling into the 70s, with crappy buffs. Whatever happened to buff training? It's because of people's greediness that I even bother dealing with the whole issue of FS RMs. They can heal and buff you!, yes, but what happens when the heal is nice but the buffs SUCK? I'm hearing more and more stories of how many FS RMs are going into RM-manship, with buffs 10 and lower. I mean, seriously. Come on. What kind of idiot actually helped them level to 60? Can they SEE that the FS' have bad buffs? It just saddens me to have people like that come mess with the vital RM job like that, and get us flamed for it. Us RMs are getting flamed because some idiots doesn't even know how to press a button 2456 times. You can't train buffs because you have no time? Fine. GO AFK SPAM.

People don't respect our class for many reasons. They can easily find a reason for that, and it's those idiots that don't train buffs and prefer to level all the time. If you're someone who gets pulled into leveling, and don't have time to train buffs once you're logged on, you're excused. Others that have the time, aren't. I don't care what kind of parties RMs train in, but if it's going to be Level Distribution, shouldn't the RMs be expected to have nice buffs? They're leeching good exp for god's sake. Least they could do is have some nice buffs to give in return. This ends yet another one of my FS RMs flaming. *grumbles*

Mmm...Ever since I hit level 60, and became a RM, the first thing I had in mind was to get level 14 buffs....No, seriously. I had like level 10 buffs going into RM. Horrid yes, but that's how I was so I really don't care. After spending several crappy days, trying to get each skill higher, I started to think about more of my class. After discovering a few things, messing up a bit more, leveling some also, I came to 68, mastering my first buff- Heap. All was nice, besides the fact that one of my friend messed with me(Whom I already gotten revenge on. >=3), and I ended up playing with another friend to level to 70. My goal was to hit level 70. Nothing more. This, in fact, became my own Contri-Party-Only-Plox rule. I can only train in Contribution parties, and not worry at all about my level. It's been that way ever since. I enjoy it a lot, to be truthful. I'm glad to see my friends leveling before my eyes. It brings joy to my heart, knowing I helped someone out a bit. It's the only reason why I like supporting so much. I live(on Flyff) to support. It's my only reason that I stayed in Flyff. Others were soon made up as I made other characters.

If I were to not care at all about other people, and leveled only in Lvl Dis, I'd be probably 7x before I left the game. I really have no interest in my own level anymore. I want others to train up, and become more skillful. I'll always be there to support my friends, even though I'll be probably a bit lower leveled than them. It doesn't really matter anyways. I can always train on Lvl Dis whenever I feel like it; I just don't want to....at least not yet. I might or might not switch at all anyways...No telling what the future has in store for me.

Point of my story? To tell you why I bother with Contribution, since Level Distribution is obviously better for FS RMs. The 6x part was an intro, rest an explanation and whatnot.

Hmm...Last comment before I let readers rest their eyes. You started out with 13 friends, I started out with 2. They all left, leaving both you and I left in Flyff. I stayed because I didn't want to go through the hassle of making another character in Aibatt(My friends migrated to Aibatt, later quitting.), so I stuck with Flash. If I were to move to Aibatt too, I wouldn't have had the chance to learn pretty much anything about RMs. I wouldn't have met so many people, so different, yet also so special to me. It's because of Flyff that I've actually had the chance to get to know some people. My buddy list isn't filled up, heck, it's probably at around 100 people tops. I don't know that many people, yet it's already satisfying enough to know a specific few whom I enjoy holding conversations with. Just cause they're over the internet, and you don't know them, doesn't mean that you can get to know them good. Making friendly relationships isn't a bad thing, especially if it turns sour, you can't get harmed. It's the internet. Unless that dude has a hacking/tracing device..which, how many people actually have?, I wouldn't worry so much. Being friendly can get you somewhere...I try to be nice.

I'm not that trustworthy of people, I'm really not. People, however choose to trust me. This is why you need to get to know people more, to develop bonds that can actually help you in Flyff(and maybe life o_O). This is why I actually share stuff/talk to my friends a lot. They get to know me, they like me afterwards. It's always to have friendly relationships, than to trust no one and live in suspicion, right? I seem to prefer friendliness over untrustworthiness anyways. It's only a game. You can't lose much from it.

By the way...Nice quote o.o

[UnderDog]

Dexterity Ringmasters suck.

God said so.

And to be on-topic, as Luri's already pointed out, an AoE RM isn't very rewarding.

[raptor_xp69]

Hi there,

I spent a while reading all your thoughts and I agree with many of them. But I have somewhat of a noob question. I am a lvl 7x RM with a almost completely hybrid FS build (ie about 50sta, 50str, 30dex, 100int)(no buffs). So am I categorized as a HORRENDOUS BUILD!!!! AND I SHOULD GET A RESTATE ASAP!!! cause I was under the feeling that I should have a character that is be able to kill same lvl mobs (for quests and pxp) and still be able to FS other players. I am a RM that works on my buffs and have a desire to MASTER ALL! I know that will take like 5 months, but its coming along.

So any comments on my build, I just want some input. Don't forget, I have this build because I like to help others, but I don't want to be a "dog" as many of you have termed it.

Also, if I kept this build, any suggestions on a strategy once i get MH. Would I be a character that has to have an opening cast of MH then switch to BC? Or would I be able to survive fighting monsters my lvl or 2 lvls higher in a small mob using only MH?

Thanks in advance.

[lastnite]

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And yes, I'd like to see a Full Support Ringmaster solo a Giant equal or 1 level lower than themselves, aka not being fed a bone from another player, to acquiring items for themselves. You made not have any financial problems, that's probably because you don't have any ambitious goals to get better items, due to the reason that a FS RM have no need for such items. So you can get away for being low maintenance for a while and having lower standards. However, for other FS RM players that are in financial problems, they MUST seek a Giant Hunting partner. An INT Build Ringmaster rely more on others than others rely on them. Practically any job class can make due without an Support INT RM in the game. An INT build Ringmaster on the other hand can't do anything on their own to level at a comparative rate to other class that can solo so much more effectively. My views on a FS RM is harash, it's because of how Flyff Community is build upon. I personally don't treat the RMs I hunt with like trash, I'm an RM too for crying out loud, I love FS RMs, but I don't love being one. However, if I was a FS RM, I'm sure I would've meet many more players treating me as trash, because even as a Battle RM build, some players tries to take advantage of me thinking I'm FS and can't do crap, but once they see I put on a shield and knuckle and kill my own monster, they let out a big O_O and stay silence in awe.

Honestly, I had the same mindset as you awhile back when my friends were still playing. I would allow them to level ahead of me, me helping them, them helping me, unfortunately they irruptively all gave up on this game. So I'm the only one left playing out of the 13 friends I used to play with, these are unique type of friends in which I've gamed with from other MMO games. So I've known them well and for a while. Sure I can make new friends in Flyff, I have made plenty, but I don't get that same feeling as I would be getting when playing with someone you've known for a while (aka months, years), because it still feels like playing with a stranger and I don't easily trust people. I started this game back in late Nov.

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Isn't that why people go Billposter instead? strength RM would be even more dependant on another RM. Like Flashy said, it takes alot of levels before you get enough dex to be "good" and at that point strength and staminia are lacking where a BP would be ahead even without Protect and SF. Unless you have to go battle RM because you have no leveling partners, that's a different story.

[Snake_eyez6910]

i'm a lv80 aoe rm lol, and its not really all that bad to be truthful

with all buffs lv18+ and a rm lv70 supporting me i can tank 8 pinkies and kill them with decent speed. i'm lving exactly 1.5x faster than i was supporting 1v1 blades, bps, and jesters. and my merkaba's not even mastered yet lol

i've got to admit though, go 120sta base if you're gonna try it out,

cause i went 102 sta base and rest int. (i have good reason though)

the extra int isn't for the additional damage merkaba deals, cause as you've pointed out, its minimal. instead its for heal.

i'd go collect the mobs, then aoe and start healing myself with heal action slotted twice while my supporter heals w/o the action slot.

i actually do better than aoe psys i've seen and partied in the mines. i deal 1k more damage and take 200 less damage from the mobs.

and so long as i get to cast merkaba the effects continue to work even if i get knocked back. whereas other classes have to hope there is no knockbacks to even cast their aoe.

in effect, i deal my damage more regularly than a person who is constantly being knocked back, and so i end up dealing the damage faster lol.

so long as you dont mind being flamed by every person who comes into the pinkies room for being an aoe rm, i suggest to people that they give it a shot

also, said flameing people have a tendancy to take over your room and piss you off. *cough*redrum*cough*