[LunaMaire]

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I think legalizing is no different then the fact alcohol is legal. People who are intoxicated on drink can't think, have poor judgement and act Very Very Very stupid 99% of the time... and kill people and families, just as much as drug related crimes/revenge acts/gangs have.

In all honesty? I think they should tighten the leash on "drinking's okay, but apparently smoking if the leading cause of death in North America" before they even Think of legalizing yet Another mind altering substance .. and yes Liquor is LEGAL because the government collects a lovely thing called.. TAX... something they can't control when it has to do with Weed.

Yes, I used to smoke it too. I don't think they should legalize it, they've got alot of mess to deal with the current "intoxicants" from drinks, and prescription drugs as it is.. why add another to the list?

*Waits for people's responses curiously now.*

[Fuel]

I think you have a lot of great points there. I agree with you, so I guess I don't really have much to say, LOL.

[LunaMaire]

LOL thanks I guess?

I dunno, I just used drugs before when I was younger. I speak from experience, I've smoked pot and it's various laced forms. I've popped XTC that's got every known drug damn near cut in it as filler from heroin to GHB the list goes on and on and on....

I don't hold it as the Best things I've done, but I do not regret doing them because of the things I've learned FROM doing them that I can share with those thinking of or already using them.

As for passing it as a legalization.. I don't think it's wise. They should really re-evaluate these current laws on booze and the damage that really causes.

Compare an intoxicated drunkard who beats his family, his wife, abuses his kids, or kills an innocent person or family in a car accident or something equally rediculous to that of a high human being. The brain is still intoxicated and leaves so much room for error of judgement, it alters one's moods and thought patterns and even your own nervous system.

You get high/drunk because you're injesting Poison to the blood stream and that is why you gain these effects.

So many as it stands now? Think smoking pot is O.K.... and a cigarette is so terrible?

Has a cigarette killed families? Brought abuse on them or friends, killed people in car accidents? Not as frequent as a drunk driver or someone who's ripped up and rolling on some hallucinogen or toxin of some sort.

I Does pose possibility in crime rates dropping, but it Definately won't fix the gang wars that all stem from these sorts of things. I seriously think people need to be Very well educated on these things without a biased info source.

A weed ciggy is worse for you then a pure natural tabaco ciggy, the tar content and toxin (that makes you high- THC) is equal to roughly 7 cigarettes if I'm not mistake for tar/carbon monoxide content.

There are So many other fine points and facts to pool into this together... it really does leave alot to think about for people in general. I just hope some people do stop and think about it.

[Elenoa]

Originally Posted by Clipper

Im not going back to this topic again because, really, i've been involved in this discussion so many times & i know where it goes, the people who have no idea what the hell they are talking about, the "ugh.. im not paying for smackhead's NHS bills" (um, good for you, i think the legalise heroin topic is the next one down? o0) & the "have you seen stupid people smoke weed, they act stupid, they should take up boxing to save themselves from brain damage" crew always stick to their narrow-minded views, the people who know about weed cant take it seriously because, really, it is hard.... and anyone who wants to find out the real reasons goes off, realises how much info is available but cant develop an opinion because of both sides avoiding the reality of the situation and well get nowhere.

If you want to paraphrase me without using the quote function, then at least do it right.
Your errorenous quote really did nothing to disprove my point. In fact, did you even understand what my point is?

My point is that Marijuana would just continue to poison the community, especially if it was legalized. The damage it would do to future generations is not worth the crime deduction rate. Legalizing it now would only put give future generations of people the idea that it's alright to kill your body and brain in a slow, irresponsible way.

[EbilDays]

You get high/drunk because you're injesting Poison to the blood stream and that is why you gain these effects.

While I agree with most of everything else you have said this is not really true. You get high or drunk because there are compounds in these substances that mimic the natural endorphins that your body makes. These substances plug into the receptors giving you a high that your body would naturally produce...well it would be a stronger high. With constant drug abuse your body stops naturally producing these endorphins and begins to solely rely on the the drugs and that is why people go through withdrawn because it takes a while for you body to start back producing the natural endorphins.

Now I still say that Marijuana should be legalized for medical purposes. I watched my mother suffer in horrible pain for most of my life. I watch her cry and have to sit in dark quite rooms because of the pain. I watched as she stop being able to do the things she loved to do because the pain in her entire body was too much for her. Sure she had pain killers and muscle relaxers but the only dulled the pain down and they came with their own set of bad side effects. If Marijuana can stop at least one person from having to suffer then I say make it legal for them. Damn the rest of the people that are smoking it for fun. Damn them because they ruining things for people that really could use marijuana not because it is a great high but because maybe just maybe for a few hours a day they can live their life pain free. I say if people want to break the law then put them in jail with murders and rapist and see if they learn their lesson. My tax money already is going to waste so put their little asses in jail for a two or three years I just hope the high was worth it.

[whiteriot]

IMO Marijuana is a less dangerous substance than alcohol is. Ive been a user of both for about 3 years now, and it seems that i am able to control myself better while high on pot, than drunk. I think that if marijuana were to be legalized, then it would get out of hand, and people would be high nonstop, and that would mess a lot of peoples lives up. Although it would be nice for marijuana to be legalized, i think it would be a bad move becasue then there would be a lot of abuse to it. Also, if pot was legalized, then there would be tons more campaigns to legalize other illegal drugs, i.e. cocaine, LSD, etc.

If you are unhappy about marijuana being illegal then simply move to a country where it is legal to some extent, i.e. Canada, Spain, etc.

[Blackie]

Looking at the thoughtfull views on this topic ive come up with a summation of the situation myself.

Even though making marijuana illigal WOULD cut down on the drug crime, such as less people in jail and less drug deal related deaths, i think it should be legalized to an extent.

If it were to be legalized it should be only legal in private. This is because there might be a situation where you are smoking, and someone who does not wish to get high or is struggeling with an allergy to marijuana could be bothered by someone smoking next to them. But i also digress, seeing as this also is the case with cigarettes, which ARE legal.

In terms of health, yes it has been proven that cigarettes are way worse for your PHYSICAL health, but what about mental health? Emotional Health?

I have heard the saying that "once u get high, you end up alot worse then u were while you were high".

If this is true then there would be a sharp uprising in the number of depressed people and the would be a steady incline of suicide rates.

And also adding on to the "emotional health", smoking cigarettes has no direct effect on your emotional state (unless subject to constant use of course). Marijuana is known to cause loss of memory through short term uses. And also the fact which has been stated numerous times in this topic, the fact that people are "dumb as shit" while they are high.

Also another look into the matter which i have been pondering about is the basic issue of: Should we release another harmfull substance into the world? With alcohol and tobacco already on the uprise, do we owe it to our general health to add more smoke in the air? To add more people crashing into eachother with thier cars, killing eachother? To add more people killing themselves because they are depressed?

These are situations in which we need to address. Not the effect on ourselves, but for the most part the effect on the people on the whole. The effect on economy, and our general health.

Keep this topic alive!

-BlackieChan

[Fuel]

Originally Posted by LunaMaire

A weed ciggy is worse for you then a pure natural tabaco ciggy, the tar content and toxin (that makes you high- THC) is equal to roughly 7 cigarettes if I'm not mistake for tar/carbon monoxide content.

I'm quoting this so people make sure they understand, because this fact is often used out of context. People hear this and think "OMG pot is worse than cigarettes!" thinking of normal cigarettes that they get sold in a store.

And out of all cigarette smokers, how many really just use natural tobacco and roll it themselves?

[OwL]

You guys are making me want to test marijuana so bad.

I say legalize it. The harder you fight drug traffic, the higher the drug price and demand. No point on enforcing security for drug crime fight. Drug dealers will just become richer. Informal economy ftl.

Legalizing drugs will make drugs part of the formal economy, so taxes will be ftw.

The money you are gaining on taxes, and the money you are not losing on enforcing drug crime fight can be used for better stuff.

Drug effects on health... I say it is better to sacrifice one or two generations with drug legalization than be fighting drug market endless.

[Avarion]

Originally Posted by Clipper

Y'know, i'd love to share both Avarion & Elenoa's opinions but i doubt i'd be able to fit my head up their arse too.

Go on, elaborate.

It seems like of a waste of time to extend a bit of compassion to scrounging smackheads but if the apathy I feel towards scum offends you, well you need to get a grip mate and grow thicker skin.

[LunaMaire]

Fuel> I don't smoke tailor made cigarettes anymore. I agree that YES those ARE bad for anyone. I can't even stand the smell of tailor made cigarettes at ALL. To me they reek like burned newspaper and marshmallows with chemical mix.

A tailormade cigarette has over 600+ added chemicals in it, what's worse is they're shutting the tabaco farmers out of business here in Ontario because the government rather save a few bucks and import from China. Now the stuff from China has one chemical added to it that is KNOWN to cause cancer and it is illegal to be added to tabaco in Canada because of this.. yet they are importing this for business and distribution..

So are cigarettes "the kind people see in stores" bad for you? Yes, I for one can't smoke that crap anymore. It makes me sick, light headed and nausiated, sore throat and I taste blood in my mouth. I smoke off the farm unchemically treated tabaco that comes by the bail that we sit and remove the stems from, steam to soften them and then cut and roll by a machine my father made into tubes.

What I am saying is yes, tabaco on it's own? Is LESS harmful then pot is for the body.

Compare a hydro grown pot cigarette to a tailormade cigarette and you're just as bad as the other.

Naturally grown pot vs tailormades isn't as terrible, but people seem to forget that the pot today, isn't what it used to be and is 10x worse then naturally grown.

[Fuel]

I'm glad you made all those points cos whenever anyone gets in a rant to me about how pot is worse than cigarettes, I just want to smack them because they don't understand.

I wish weed was like it was back when it was first popular. It'd be a lot safer.

[LunaMaire]

Back in the Day, yea.. pot was definately alot safer.. now you have to be extremely cautious to what is really IN your pot.. It CAN be deadly as say for example, some chem used to make it extremely potent and strong could set off an allergy in someone to the point it's fatal? It happened to my sister actually and since then she's been afraid to touch it again.

Tailor made cigarettes are just as bad as the pot on market today, people can-not- tell me otherwise.

Natural tabaco vs natural grown unchemically infused pot? Tabaco = better tar/carbon monoxide wise then pot...

The scales tip back and forth really.. So many breeds, so many species. Ages plants, unaged young plants right down to what leaves off the tabaco plant can make for stronger tar/nicotine content as well as taste and pungeant raunch it can create....

I doubt anyone here has picked tabaco to know that though o.o;

[wrtjhaw]

Sorry to say, but drug related crimes weed out the reatrds and idiots who are immature enough to involve themselves with those kinds of situations.
Yes, inocent people sometimes get hurt, but sometimes inocent people get hurt driving to work because of heavy traffic, or because of drinking.

As far as I'm concerned, any mind altering substance is lame. Which is rather odd since I work in a liquor store, but shh!

[Fuel]

Originally Posted by wrtjhaw

Sorry to say, but drug related crimes weed out the reatrds and idiots who are immature enough to involve themselves with those kinds of situations.
Yes, inocent people sometimes get hurt, but sometimes inocent people get hurt driving to work because of heavy traffic, or because of drinking.

As far as I'm concerned, any mind altering substance is lame. Which is rather odd since I work in a liquor store, but shh!

While that theory sounds nice, it doesn't quite work because most of the people who get hurt aren't the silly immature high school pot heads, it's the big time dealers. So while that may cut down on the import of pot into the country (US, that is), the people I'm sure you're thinking about will probably not be affected.