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Originally Posted by Shady|Fowl

I have a theory. The way the U.S economy is going now, MOST people aren't buying gpots because they dont have the money or need it to survive. So in a way the economy is affecting the game's economy. o.o

That's what I thought at first lol. America = Economic depression.
Flyff = gpot depression. ;-;

But nah, I don't think they're really related THAT much.
So dramatically? It sounds more like hacks.

[Floksy]

Problem is people selling the gpots (those 3) they will shout selling 500k gpots /say me with price then someone says 9m, another one will bid 10m ect. untill 15m/100 so the gpot guy says okay, deal.
Next time he buys gpots to sell em he will shout selling 200k gpots 15m/100.
Other gpot people see that and think; Oh, im going to do that too.
Then the other reason is simple, resellers.. They fuck the economy up so bad.
Like suns..think every sunstone in flyff had seen about 10-15 people before someone really uses it.
And everyone (gpots resellers) they want to make just that little bit of more money then that other reseller so they will offer 500k more per 100 gpots. And within a matter of weeks the gpot prices raised another 5m..

[x_Molbol]

Originally Posted by Floksy

Problem is people selling the gpots (those 3) they will shout selling 500k gpots /say me with price then someone says 9m, another one will bid 10m ect. untill 15m/100 so the gpot guy says okay, deal.
Next time he buys gpots to sell em he will shout selling 200k gpots 15m/100.
Other gpot people see that and think; Oh, im going to do that too.
Then the other reason is simple, resellers.. They fuck the economy up so bad.
Like suns..think every sunstone in flyff had seen about 10-15 people before someone really uses it.
And everyone (gpots resellers) they want to make just that little bit of more money then that other reseller so they will offer 500k more per 100 gpots. And within a matter of weeks the gpot prices raised another 5m..

theres a limit :0 you cant simply keep buying at high price, that only happens when theres alot of penya in the game, and when the price goes up so drasticaly, like lets say in 2 days going up by 3-5 mil its because theres a huge incrase of penya in circulation, and all of sudden this incrase leads to think about hacks.
whatever is hacking, he is making penyas, because hacked/created items are tracked, im assuming.

[blackberry]

The last time Aibatt spro went 15mil is when the dupe hack was around. Maybe its true, something is not rite.

[Punishment]

This game lacks a solid penya sink thats all. With hundreds of millions of penya entering from Azria everyday it's stockpiling.

If there was a rollback all those exchanges from the event will be for naught.

[pikaboo]

All the cash shop stuff gala added from v9 and onwards is finally catching up with us. Some CS stuff gala added were nice, but now it's starting to be too much. What's next? Pierce our pets, and all of our armour? Buy a cash shop scroll and get uber stats on any item? They're going to kill their game if they keep going like that.

[BeastZ]

It's true like people are saying that the game lacks decent penya sinks and that azria allows new penya to flow in the economy at an tremendous rate but the fact remains..the hackers are just speeding up the inflation, and by a lot more then most of you would probably think.

[BloodAxe]

LOL @ blaming TD/hacker in general. TD has always been clear about their goals with Fly. screwing the in game economy doesnt help their goals, if anything it actually helps Gala and thats the complete opposite of what they want to do. However as a hypothetical, lets explore how this would be possible. In order for a hacker to affect the entire game, they would have to buy up every single CS item that would be on sale. Then turn around and inflate the price, someone would then have to buy at the inflated price. Given the Fly community, this person is buying in an attempt to resell at an inflated price. After all the premises of nearly every single money making guide is buy and resell at an inflated price, buy and resell at an inflated price. So people would have to keep buying these items at the increasingly inflated prices. Ive never put much faith in the intelligence of the Flyff community as a collective but even I know that the player base is not stupid enough to fall for this. Or are they?

The start of the problem may have been a hacker but it was the community greed that kept it going. Its greed that causes a person to think "hey if that person is selling that item at an inflated price, then maybe I can resell it even higher than he is". Ive always said FlyFF uses reverse economics in cases of supply and demand, now it seems to apply to price wars too. Instead of trying to undercut the other guy, the sellers are trying to out inflate the other guy, and the sad thing is people continue to buy. You guys want to blame someone for the inflation, blame yourself, inflation is only successful if someone is on the other end buying.

However in this instance there is another culprit, its still fueled by greed, and still the fault of the community, but there's a third variable here. Some of you have gotten close to identifying it but failed to nail the bullseye. Im talking about penya sellers, now yes I know theyve always been around. However you cant deny that they are getting worse. Why? Because Gala isnt doing anything about them. Its foolish to think people arent buying from them. Its cheaper to spend 10 or 20 bucks to get enough penya in game to buy the CS items you want than it is to drop 50 or 60 bucks to buy directly from Gala. Which means a few people go around buying up CS items like hot cakes, which causes inflation because CS sellers think theres a high demand. If you stop and think about it, this is more plausible than trying to blame hackers.

[Gear3Luffy]

Originally Posted by BloodAxe

LOL @ blaming TD/hacker in general. TD has always been clear about their goals with Fly. screwing the in game economy doesnt help their goals, if anything it actually helps Gala and thats the complete opposite of what they want to do. However as a hypothetical, lets explore how this would be possible. In order for a hacker to affect the entire game, they would have to buy up every single CS item that would be on sale. Then turn around and inflate the price, someone would then have to buy at the inflated price. Given the Fly community, this person is buying in an attempt to resell at an inflated price. After all the premises of nearly every single money making guide is buy and resell at an inflated price, buy and resell at an inflated price. So people would have to keep buying these items at the increasingly inflated prices. Ive never put much faith in the intelligence of the Flyff community as a collective but even I know that the player base is not stupid enough to fall for this. Or are they?

The start of the problem may have been a hacker but it was the community greed that kept it going. Its greed that causes a person to think "hey if that person is selling that item at an inflated price, then maybe I can resell it even higher than he is". Ive always said FlyFF uses reverse economics in cases of supply and demand, now it seems to apply to price wars too. Instead of trying to undercut the other guy, the sellers are trying to out inflate the other guy, and the sad thing is people continue to buy. You guys want to blame someone for the inflation, blame yourself, inflation is only successful if someone is on the other end buying.

However in this instance there is another culprit, its still fueled by greed, and still the fault of the community, but there's a third variable here. Some of you have gotten close to identifying it but failed to nail the bullseye. Im talking about penya sellers, now yes I know theyve always been around. However you cant deny that they are getting worse. Why? Because Gala isnt doing anything about them. Its foolish to think people arent buying from them. Its cheaper to spend 10 or 20 bucks to get enough penya in game to buy the CS items you want than it is to drop 50 or 60 bucks to buy directly from Gala. Which means a few people go around buying up CS items like hot cakes, which causes inflation because CS sellers think theres a high demand. If you stop and think about it, this is more plausible than trying to blame hackers.

It's weird. But, TD isn't the only hacker out in flyff, there are others. Its true that supply and demand imbalances causes inflation and deflation, But think what happens if hackers give out penya to certain friends. They will end up buying every cs out there for more than what its worth because they can afford it, therefore raising the inflation. Its not the hacker's fault directly, they are definitely indirectly related to the problem. And most everyone else suffers for it.

[BloodAxe]

Originally Posted by Gear3Luffy

It's weird. But, TD isn't the only hacker out in flyff, there are others. Its true that supply and demand imbalances causes inflation and deflation, But think what happens if hackers give out penya to certain friends. They will end up buying every cs out there for more than what its worth because they can afford it, therefore raising the inflation. Its not the hacker's fault directly, they are definitely indirectly related to the problem. And most everyone else suffers for it.

Thats why I said TD/hackers in general, recognizing that theres more than just 1 group of pissant hackers.

[Nateee]

Originally Posted by TheDarknessJester

GP prices rising at the beginning of a new version is nothing new. V12 brought alot of awakening possibilities, so basically reversions are the only reason for which the prices have changed.

Sinner, things like this happened countless times, and it never caused anyone to stop buying GP. Besides, no GP = No game whatsoever.

shut up and get 105 dear

[saic]

I'm grinning so bad at the hacker accusations.

/Nik

[Nucksta]

Originally Posted by Gear3Luffy

It's weird. But, TD isn't the only hacker out in flyff, there are others. Its true that supply and demand imbalances causes inflation and deflation, But think what happens if hackers give out penya to certain friends. They will end up buying every cs out there for more than what its worth because they can afford it, therefore raising the inflation. Its not the hacker's fault directly, they are definitely indirectly related to the problem. And most everyone else suffers for it.

You've pretty much hit what's happening, on Mia at least,spot on. A few people received access to literally banks full of Perin, and decided to give it out to friends to "help" them since things were getting too expensive...which resulted in prices going up even more and ruining things for anyone that didn't receive the hacked penya. Go go fucking up the flyff economy yet again.

[Eternalmagus]

Originally Posted by BloodAxe

LOL @ blaming TD/hacker in general. TD has always been clear about their goals with Fly. screwing the in game economy doesnt help their goals, if anything it actually helps Gala and thats the complete opposite of what they want to do. However as a hypothetical, lets explore how this would be possible. In order for a hacker to affect the entire game, they would have to buy up every single CS item that would be on sale. Then turn around and inflate the price, someone would then have to buy at the inflated price. Given the Fly community, this person is buying in an attempt to resell at an inflated price. After all the premises of nearly every single money making guide is buy and resell at an inflated price, buy and resell at an inflated price. So people would have to keep buying these items at the increasingly inflated prices. Ive never put much faith in the intelligence of the Flyff community as a collective but even I know that the player base is not stupid enough to fall for this. Or are they?

The start of the problem may have been a hacker but it was the community greed that kept it going. Its greed that causes a person to think "hey if that person is selling that item at an inflated price, then maybe I can resell it even higher than he is". Ive always said FlyFF uses reverse economics in cases of supply and demand, now it seems to apply to price wars too. Instead of trying to undercut the other guy, the sellers are trying to out inflate the other guy, and the sad thing is people continue to buy. You guys want to blame someone for the inflation, blame yourself, inflation is only successful if someone is on the other end buying.

However in this instance there is another culprit, its still fueled by greed, and still the fault of the community, but there's a third variable here. Some of you have gotten close to identifying it but failed to nail the bullseye. Im talking about penya sellers, now yes I know theyve always been around. However you cant deny that they are getting worse. Why? Because Gala isnt doing anything about them. Its foolish to think people arent buying from them. Its cheaper to spend 10 or 20 bucks to get enough penya in game to buy the CS items you want than it is to drop 50 or 60 bucks to buy directly from Gala. Which means a few people go around buying up CS items like hot cakes, which causes inflation because CS sellers think theres a high demand. If you stop and think about it, this is more plausible than trying to blame hackers.

This is something more than just a reselling issue. Reselling may bring the price 1-2M/100GP more, not doubleing it. I know certain people (whose name I wont say indeed) which was DIRT poor (set+3, weapons+3 and so on) hanging around now with multiples +10 sets, close to perfect pets and so on, and which keeps buying. Something is not right here. Imo, there is a group of kids which discovered how to get GM powers/spawn penyas which is doing a part of what you say, that is buying everything overpriced because they don't give a damn to the price, they just need the item. There is also the fault of the freaking greedy CS hoars which follow the trend and keep rising the prices. But there is something stinky.

[ZaTiR]

What the game needs is an adequate penya sink. There's too much supply of penya into the game, and not enough coming out. Now, the Lord system could be used to good effect, if the taxes are moderately high, and all of the penya is spent on events for the server. Something else that worked very well in another mmo I play, in controlling the economy was a lottery. You would purchase tickets say, for perhaps 100k penya, and have a small chance of winning something worth massively more in value, but perhaps not something that would hand you too much of an advantage. A series of lesser value prizes are also available, so you don't feel it's a complete waste of money. If they had it working properly, it would get most people playing, and as a result slightly less penya floating around. The "rare" items also would be changed from time to time, to tempt those who had won the current rare already.