I don't question whether he should be running or not. I am questioning now if McCain/Palin camp have a leg to stand on when questioning if Obama is American enough.
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10-14-2008, 08:45 AM
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people should stop the ridiculous crap with bill ayers as well. i mean wtf. the latest spot is borderline propaganda to incite people.
so yea.
it goes on both sides, all this negative crap.
Like Mccains campaign has told whenever you talk about obama to refer to him as "barack hussein obama" stressing the middle point of this.
This election is nothing more then a sludge contest, and the only reason obama will win, is because demecrats are seen as better handlers of the econmoy.
If you look back in history its always for the most part
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10-14-2008, 08:46 AM
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no offense long but i see this as really pointless.
We have probably one of the biggest elections occuring for a long time, and you wanna debate about this?
Without getting to political here, the man served in our military, was born on a U.S military base, back when the panama canal was under american control.
I mean are you saying that if U.S soliders, who has a family, who has kids when their overseas, who are laying down their lives to protect and serve us. Your saying that those kids shouldnt be allowed to run for president?
I believe that deserves a: lolwut?
I'm saying that all the time I get into arguements where people say "It's not about the situation itself; it's about, I'm afraid what it could lead to next." I hear that arguement all the time and think "you're overreacting, that won't leave the doors wide-open for bigger, corrupted steps to take place."
Well now it's as if I just found something where I WOULD like to be hearing those people use that arguement, and they aren't there.
So basically, to me it's just sort of like people are busy worrying about how stupid shit will lead to the downfall of our constitution and our country, but yet here's this issue that, really, no matter how stupid we may find it, IS controversial and debateable in the name of the constitution, and no one said shit about it. The government didn't even go through any official process, but rather went with "So we cool with this? Yeah? Ok then cool, he can run."
Just sorta like, while I'm sitting here listening to a person about how allowing gay marriages could lead to gay adoption, which leads to gay presidents, which leads to gay constitutions, which leads to wild buttsecks parties every easter, here is an issue that technically is questionable in the eyes of the constitution, and no one's saying shit about it.
Just gets me concerned, and I was wondering if anyone else has concern over this. On the matter itself, I agree that rule is in place more to keep anyone from ruling America with the concerns and needs of another country in mind. Mccain has been an American since day one, so there's no issue there. Hell, I question if he even speaks spanish. Still, what I'm focusing on is, people are always saying we need to treat the constitution seriously, and here when an issue for the constitution DID come up, it wasn't treated seriously. No formal process to clear it up, no real word to the public, and no real official document stating it's ok for him to run.
hazelmurphy funny "obama is a jackass" throw in. And we know that you are biased too. No big deal, being unbiased or neutral is an illusion cause most people are going to lean toward one side more than the other; doesn't mean you are incapable of listening to both sides and having your mind changed. I don't think this is a big deal about McCain. It's coming down to time for everyone to just vote and decide. I don't question McCain's intelligence nor his knowledge about US Policies. While I don't agree with everything that either of the candidates have said, I still know who's policies I agree with the most. Unfortunately that person isn't running for President right now
Rush Limbaugh isn't a Republican, he's something else. Who knows who he'll actually vote for? I listen to his radio show to see what hilarious rant he'll be on. He's quite entertaining and has interesting callers.
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10-14-2008, 08:57 AM
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hazelmurphy funny "obama is a jackass" throw in. And we know that you are biased too. No big deal, being unbiased or neutral is an illusion cause most people are going to lean toward one side more than the other; doesn't mean you are incapable of listening to both sides and having your mind changed. I don't think this is a big deal about McCain. It's coming down to time for everyone to just vote and decide. I don't question McCain's intelligence nor his knowledge about US Policies. While I don't agree with everything that either of the candidates have said, I still know who's policies I agree with the most. Unfortunately that person isn't running for President right now
Rush Limbaugh isn't a Republican, he's something else. Who knows who he'll actually vote for? I listen to his radio show to see what hilarious rant he'll be on. He's quite entertaining and has interesting callers.
I'd agree with what you first posted to a point, anyways.
It's not about "it doesn't matter cause he's a Republican," it's about "it doesn't matter cause he's a Republican and everyone knows republicans r lyk so patriotic." The issue at hand simply doesn't fit the republican stereotype.
If we had a Democratic candidate who was a vietnam war-deserter for instance, or a Republican candidate who was a nutcase preacher...THEN we would have something, cause those two fit with the negative stereotypes of their respective parties.
The thing with the Constitution is it rarely actually defines anything. It was the intent of the writers for it to be as flexible as possible to accommodate unforeseen changes, events etc. It's up to whoever is in power to interpret it. :s
Honestly I feel it's not an important issue because it's not like McCain was raised Panamian and only recently embraced his American heritage to run for President. Streotypes are what they are. They don't always hold water.
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I'd agree with what you first posted to a point, anyways.
It's not about "it doesn't matter cause he's a Republican," it's about "it doesn't matter cause he's a Republican and everyone knows republicans r lyk so patriotic." The issue at hand simply doesn't fit the republican stereotype.
If we had a Democratic candidate who was a vietnam war-deserter for instance, or a Republican candidate who was a nutcase preacher...THEN we would have something, cause those two fit with the negative stereotypes of their respective parties.
Down south "liberal" is a curse word and a symbol of being unpatriotic and against family values. That's why you won't see in the deep south, I'm sure some of you know what states I mean one in particular, a liberal presidential candidate voted in. I can tell you that negative stereotypes about liberals down here is born and bred in the majority of the population. Just like segregation is still going on unofficially but anyone who visits will see that clearly the races stay separate for the most part.
I agree that if it was Obama this would probably be a huge issue but since it's McCain (Republican) is not a big deal. Frankly, I don't think it's a big deal on either side but you definitely have noticed the negative spin or lack thereof depending on which side of the political machine you fall.
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10-16-2008, 12:03 PM
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The thing with the Constitution is it rarely actually defines anything. It was the intent of the writers it as felxible as possible to accommodate unforseen changes, events etc. It's up to whoever is in power to interpret it. :s
Honestly I feel it's not an important issue because it's not like McCain was raised Panamian and only recently embraced his American heritage to run for President. Streotypes are what they are. They don't always hold water.
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I wish I saw this thread earlier. D: We had a discussion about this last year in History.
McCain is American. He was just there because of military purposes.
It was questioned by a former republican nominee (I forget who) just to make sure McCain actually was eligible to run. And it was come to a conclusion that he is. xD
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10-17-2008, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Punishment
The thing with the Constitution is it rarely actually defines anything. It was the intent of the writers it as felxible as possible to accommodate unforseen changes, events etc. It's up to whoever is in power to interpret it. :s
Honestly I feel it's not an important issue because it's not like McCain was raised Panamian and only recently embraced his American heritage to run for President. Streotypes are what they are. They don't always hold water.
Alexithymia something*** I wish I saw this thread earlier. D:** WOW ME TOO, BUT YOUR POST NOT THIS THREAD I PHAIL
Our constitution does change to fit our accomdations and needs, like change in number of people in house of represenatives and all that But when you have Bush listening in on peoples private life, saying he's looking for terrorist or when you have a disaster like katrina where in POINT ITS AGAINST THE LAW and is almost like as bad as treason to raise the gas prices if not freezing them or lowering i don't know for sure during a disater. So if he going break laws and constitutions left and right, about peoples right to privacy, and to freeze prices when a disaster happens, and all that and for him to be a REPUBLICAN, and be the leader of the country and pretty much control alot of what goes on, and Not to have even an Offical meeting of vote or bring up the fact that Mccain wasn't Born in the U.S. really bothers me.
Im biased cuz id vote for obama, i dont know why i havent looked into much of eithers propoganda or policys, But i hate how nothing is brought up untill election time, then its slander fest or bring out all the secrets but yet while they are in charge you won't hear much of anything bad about them.
Also hate how mccain has pretty much had those adds or the republican party of the media scrutinizing Obama for his name, for having talked or worked with a Terrorist or been friends with one, yet Mccain wasn't even born in the U.S.??? huh thats funny....
Think main thing longknife is worried about not weather he should run or not, but why the hell diddn't they have an offical election or a informal sit down, and really break down the constitution and see or vote if Mccain should really even be iligable to run for president, instead of acting like its nothing.
I saw movie this week something about TEXAS. CHEERLEADER think MOTHER.
One girl took her daughter out of private school to go to public school for full year or 2 so she could be elgiable to be or try out for cheerleadering, and Then one Lady who was friends with princiable and all that Got her daughter to be allowed to cheerlead without having to go through the process of attending that public school for full year to be eligable.~ So what bothers me is that people break rules and make exceptions all the time, But if i was to Break rules id have to pay a heavy price. lets say i Decied my self that Burning an american flag, (IT NOT TOUCHING THE GROUND, and burning as a ceromony but just to break a law.) i just take it off my flag pole and burn it. Id be looked down upon by others, Called a Traitor and maybe even put in jail for Treason or something. My point is the matter was taken to lightly, espeically for something as big as an election for the president, and they should have addressed the problem more abruptly then keeping it on the Down Low, or just plain Ignoring it and pretending it doesn't matter. Who are they to say that they can change that???? well they are people we put it charge and elected, but the power truely belongs to the people and if we demonstrate as a whole that we as a majority or as whole disagree on something then they should follow that probably. (then again if majority say its ok then got diff situation)
all im saying, if i could get locked up for breaking a law or something, and they going be pricks and have in constitution certain things people have to do or have to do somehting like serve as senator for so long, or be born here, and of the age of 35 or what ever then Why the hell can they just let mccain off the hook so easily for not being born in the U.S. but on a military base or hospital although his parents were americans, Im not saying don't let him run, or that he isnt a american, Im saying the people in charge need to start giving a shit about procedure and all that especially when it comes to PEOPLE BEING ELECTED FOR PRESIDENT, So what lets just let everything slide?? fuck that they still people and you know what REquirements and all that seperate those people in higher power from normal people, and for us to not be allowed to run based on We havnt done this and this then let mccain slide or not even care or Look into it or debate it or bring it up for debate among house of representation or senate or anything IS BULL CRAP
/end rant hope it made some sense best i can hope for
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10-17-2008, 11:04 AM
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Im not saying don't let him run, or that he isnt a american, Im saying the people in charge need to start giving a shit about procedure and all that especially when it comes to PEOPLE BEING ELECTED FOR PRESIDENT, So what lets just let everything slide?? fuck that they still people and you know what REquirements and all that seperate those people in higher power from normal people, and for us to not be allowed to run based on We havnt done this and this then let mccain slide or not even care or Look into it or debate it or bring it up for debate among house of representation or senate or anything IS BULL CRAP
/end rant hope it made some sense best i can hope for
"Incidentally, John McCain has been the subject of similar speculation based on the fact that he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. But as we explained in an earlier Ask FactCheck, he's also a U.S. citizen under laws going back to 1790, even though he wasn't born in the country."
this answers your question right? or did i miss the point of your rant entirely, lol.
I'm just gonna put this out but do we really believe that the Founding Fathers (who are racist) really wrote the Constitution to actually allow those not a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Male to run? They'll be rolling in their graves if they knew Kennedy was President and Obama is bidding for the Presidency.
Obama wouldn't even be allowed to run either if we interpreted the Constitution as strict constitutionalists. So McCain's unique circumstance is the least of our problems then. :s
Also regarding the election I feel it doesn't matter who wins because the economy and the country as a whole is in a crisis. I'll take more then two terms to fix this blunder.
people should stop the ridiculous crap with bill ayers as well. i mean wtf. the latest spot is borderline propaganda to incite people.
so yea.
It wouldn't be an issue if obama didn't lie the american people about it. He straight up lied in everyone's face and no one gives a damn, well except the people that hate his lying ass.
Americans aren't unique like other races anyone can be an american this day.
Anyways, who cares? that greedy ass won't win
In 2050 our new president gonna be a cuban so...
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