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Cadios 08-21-2008 04:38 AM

STR AOE Billposter (Version 11)
 
Hello people This is Cadios


I started this guide on my birthday the 21st of August Neeyeeha !

We will Talk about everything related to STR AOE BPs
Since they are great levelers

We'll talk about :
1) Pros and Cons
2) Stats
3) assist Skills
4) Billposter Skills
5) notes and tactics
6) Comparison between STR and INT builds


Neyeeeeeha Lets Start


Pros and Cons:

Of course Every class and build got Pros and Cons We'll talk about them :

Pros:
1) Fast levelers ! From 28 onwards
2) you will be able to assist so you got some nice buffs
3) You are able to Kill Giants and Normal mobs and PvP
4) you are a money sack since you kill a lot
5) AOE is nice to play with

Cons :
1) short buffs since you dont have that much INT
2) NOT Party Friendly
3) not that good assist
4) you have to work as a Supporter until lvl 28

And That wraps it all
And Everyone who says that STR AOE SUCKs at lvl 60 HE is Wrong !
you'll be a bit slower but you'll get there Quickly !




Well AOE STR Stats are pretty Easy :
We will start from the beginning to the END!

As a Vagrant :
Each lvl add 1 STR and 1 STA and on lvl 15 you'l end up like :

STR : 29
STA : 29
DEX : 15
INT : 15

As an Assist :

At lvl 15 :

STR : 38
STA : 20
DEX : 15
INT : 15

At lvl 25 :

STR : 48
STA : 30
DEX : 15
INT : 15

At lvl 28:

STR : 48
STA : 36
DEX : 15
INT : 15

Then Aim for :

STR : 50 - 60
STA : 80
DEX : 15
INT : 15

As a BP :

You decide if you need more STA or STR !





As an Assist You'll need some Good skills !

Keep everything at minimum!
Get Patience and Res if you want

Start Maxing in this order :

First :
Heap UP
Then :
Burst Crack
Then :
Cats Reflexes
Then :
Beef up
Then :
Stone hand
Then :
Cannon ball





You will only need to MAX asmodeus
You can GET ASAL if you want but not that recommended
After MAxing Asmodeus Work on your Assist Skills More



There are some notes you must look at

1) There are some mobs that UN-AOE-Able The ones that :
a. Have Ranged attacks
b. Run away when Low HP
These guys Are Un-AOE-able YOu cant AOE on them
2) Flying Mobs aren't that good for you !
3) As an STR AOE BP you can Kill Giants and PvP well too
4) DO NOT ADD INT AND DEX for ANY reason
5) Have Fun while playing

For the best of use :

Get an assist to help you with a FS RM with you , you wont have to stop to buff or heal or anything
do not party unless the party has some FS or Other AOE Classes!




Well lets see Why an STR Build is better Than the INT one and THe opposite

Why is STR better :
1) you will get to lvl 60 So quickly
2) Getting the AOE skill at lvl 28
3) STR allows you to kill Giants and it's still good for PvP


why is INT better :
1) INT = Longer buffs
2) They can Switch to FS anytime

Well lets break Their Pros shall we ?!

STR gets the AOe skill faster !
STR doesn't actually need long buffs Just an FS Friend would work besides we aren't using our MP so Whatever !
They Can switch to FS Bleh So what ?!
killing is waaay too Fun you didn't make an AOE player to HEal and buff right ?!

And That Wraps this Page



I will review some time later there are lots of Typos

Thanks for reading Nyeeeeeeeha !

Hope you Enjoyed it

- yours truly Cadios

soekhoe 08-21-2008 01:37 PM

Alright,

You should go more indept on on your guide, like: Why it is better then say the int-sta build, what armour to use.
etc. etc.
For now its a good start

Cadios 08-22-2008 12:08 AM

OoO

it's really My First Guide
so I dont know that much about submitting Guides !

about Armors I dunno >.<
I will Run some Researchs XD

And about being better than the other AOE build I am on it !


Thanks for your Reply

- yours Truly Cadios ...

Cadios 08-22-2008 02:57 AM

I need to know >.<

Did you guys like the guide >.<

gebakkenvis 08-22-2008 04:04 AM

Not a good guide, first off all don't write 'This is My First guide' for example. It is really annoying to read, also, use one color please.
Fix some errors, just check your last page comparison. You write about str, but you mean int-build.

Also, include pics and then you might actually know the pro off a int build is that you level faster. It's casted faster and you have higher damage potentionally.

Also stuff like 'These guys Are Un-AOE-able YOu cant AOE on them' is false.
You can AoE on them, it just sucks, which is different. It's better to write 'you shouldn't AoE on these'.
Basically, i can go on.

Just read your guide again and edit it. Make it more pleasant to read and educational.
And Everyone who says that STR AOE SUCKs at lvl 60 HE is Wrong !
you'll be a bit slower but you'll get there Quickly !
<Not eductional for any newbie.

Cadios 08-22-2008 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gebakkenvis (Post 1548061)
Not a good guide, first off all don't write 'This is My First guide' for example. It is really annoying to read, also, use one color please.
Fix some errors, just check your last page comparison. You write about str, but you mean int-build.

Also, include pics and then you might actually know the pro off a int build is that you level faster. It's casted faster and you have higher damage potentionally.

Also stuff like 'These guys Are Un-AOE-able YOu cant AOE on them' is false.
You can AoE on them, it just sucks, which is different. It's better to write 'you shouldn't AoE on these'.
Basically, i can go on.

Just read your guide again and edit it. Make it more pleasant to read and educational.
And Everyone who says that STR AOE SUCKs at lvl 60 HE is Wrong !
you'll be a bit slower but you'll get there Quickly !
<Not eductional for any newbie.


alright First of all
I am using as many colors as I want !
and The Guide is still unfinished as you can see I am still working on it
and I said I am gonna check the typos and compile some parts !
and What images do you want ?!
I might put the Skill pics thats the only think I can ?>.<
any ideas !?

But anyways thanks for your reply

gebakkenvis 08-22-2008 05:14 AM

You should show the difference between a int BP and str BP.
Check this thread and don't forgot to ask them and credit them when you do use the pics
And please, do make a screen shot off the skill tree.

You are making this guide for newbies, they might not even know what AoE means.
So be sure to keep that in the back off your mind, make it easy for them to read.
Which i said stop using so much colors, this isn't a parade. It's a guide for finding the info and after reading your guide, everyone should be 'Oke, i want to be this' or 'No, that is for me' instead off being more confussed then ever.

FiliaChan 08-22-2008 05:22 AM

Well, from personal experience with AoE bps dating back to v7, I'd like to mention a few things.

For equips, npc stuff will do till 60. just element correspondingly (I'd just go for the element your target mobs are weak at - for lower dmg, or their own element - for 0-dmg hits)
Lv 60 set for the hp bonus when you can equip it and green sets from now on. At 7x you'll probably save money for an Azria ticket, so element accordingly.

For skill order, I'd max stonehand right after either Beef or Burst, whichever you decide to max first out of those two - in order to receive minimum damage from mobs, which allows you to aoe more mobs at an earlier stage.

Regarding which AoEs to use, the 2 Billposter AoE have more potential than Burst Crack. Piercing Serpent would be a good skill to use for Str-based AoE chars, though you need to align your mobs first; this AoE skill only damages mobs in front or behind you, not sideways too.
Bgvur, however, gets more damage per stat point than either Burst Crack or Piercing Serpent. Although all 3 AoE skills can stun, Bgvur is preferred (in spite of the need to add int rather than str) because it has the following advantages:
-although it uses int rather than str, you get more damage per int point than either BC or PS per str point;
-you do not need a target; you can just spam it again and again without worrying about auto-attacking or losing target lock whenever a masquerpet dies, so your aoe goes uninterrupted every time;
-you can AoE acro-based chars while they're in DI if you know where they are;
-it can be action slotted, just like the other two aoes;
-you get longer buffs with the int you pump for this aoe;
-it's the quickest to cast out of all assist/BP aoes.

Main disadvantage would be that for melee, you will have to get some good demols/vigor rings to switch to.

Cadios 08-22-2008 07:45 AM

>.<

Thats some good info >.<

Well I am gonna right those down later and will give you the credits do not Worry >.<

FlyffSoul 08-22-2008 07:12 PM

This is a pretty good guide for a first timer.
As long as your dont make each page have a rainbow of colors its not really unreadable :P

I suggest pictures as everyone said. Maybe even explain what each skill does.
I dont know about you but back when I played I usually ammused myself with the BP skills using the tickets/papers/whatever they were called (sorry Ive lost most of y mentallity on this game).

JulyLuck 08-22-2008 11:23 PM

In my opinion i found the 12% block increase from cats to be quite useless until somewhere past fishies - stuff starts hurting. With decent stam and elementing your suit, you shouldn't take much more than minimum damage on your grind to being a bp. In all honestly i didn't find block rate reliable until getting a high end +'d set. I mean just tank it unless you can get the "predictable" block - you're not a ranger, or jester i suppose...k...and blades.

After the new skill system was introduced, there was this one skill i wanted. Prevention, and it's basically legit hacks. Saves you money, very little need to worry about deaths and helps much more than the 20 strength you get. Plus prev.'s a self buff - if you have a fs with you - they can worry about max heap (always), haste, beef, cats, cannon; YOU COULD even dump points into QS for faster gather and max mental for the lols....right you can even stun with burst, 12% stun rate max? it's pretty decent.

Dunno about piercing serpent - i thought it was long established as a failure. A CONE SHAPED FAILURE.

soekhoe 08-23-2008 12:44 AM

@ FlyffSoul
Skill Posters

Krymogen 08-23-2008 12:52 AM

This guide lacks a lot of things:

- Why BC is better than PS
- Why you should go STR AoE and not INT even though INT is FASTER and EASIER
- What equipment one should use
- Build. Please. Getting someone an AoE Assist build and tell them to add stats as they see fit reeks of failed builds.
- Again, Equipment.. what to prefer, why prefer it, etc..
- Images could be nice
- Keeping only onr colour, two, three at most during the whole guide.
- Mobs to train at
- Proper skill build


and more, sorry I'm somewhat tired.. I'll review it later

soekhoe 08-25-2008 02:58 AM

Wow, I can almost smell the bias toward the str build. your ae supposed to be neutral in the guides.

UberSin 08-27-2008 01:26 PM

Quote:

They Can switch to FS Bleh So what ?!
killing is waaay too Fun you didn't make an AOE player to HEal and buff right ?!
FS will get you leveled much faster than killing, and either way you have more fun killing as a BP than as an assist.

Your guide is more for assists than BPs, as you are talking about reaching 60 faster and this build i am very sorry to tell you will be terrible for gianting solo due to the lack of dex, which means slower attack speed and less accuracy.

whattaninja 08-28-2008 12:21 AM

your guide is way to biased

mike_perez 09-03-2008 01:56 AM

hi.

i'm a dex tyoe level 100 bp planning to restat to a str type AoE (burst crack, 110sta xxstr) when I reach 105. alas, i have crappy equips (demol12, vigor9, billst+3 0/3, anux+7), and i don't think i'll be upgrading these in the future.

given these info...
-are the stats (110 sta xxstr) correct?
-what is the level gap between me and the monsters i am mobbing? how many of them should i mob?
-can i use this str build til i become a hero?

thanks :D

edino 09-03-2008 05:25 AM

Geez So many errors and bullshit written, Your obvilsy trying to make str aoe look better.. This Guide FAIL in alot of ways

melloni 09-04-2008 07:37 AM

Maybe there's someone who's already said all this, but I'll give you my opinion on it. ^^

Overall, it's a pretty good guide. The build seems accurate enough to me for all these things you suggested, although the lack of dex might be a slightly sticky point. I like that you have more than one page to cover each different topic separately because it gets on my nerves /SO much/ when people don't. The different colours do stop it from getting too repetitive, which I'm thankful for after a long day of school. ;3

However, there are some other things about it. First, you described it as the 'perfect' build. I really dispute that. Maybe it works perfectly for you, but other people have different views, and who knows? They might not think it's perfect at all. Similarly, don't knock other builds just on principle. Don't 'bleh' at the int build just because it's an int build. Avoiding bias wherever possible is much more professional.

Secondly, it's definitely not a horrible layout, but there are points where my eyes start to blur. The stat guides are very helpful, but perhaps you could add a little more text, and discuss things a little more? Similarly, pictures and videos will add a lot of interest. Little things make big differences. All the same, keeping colours and fonts to a 'house style' will stop it from getting too confusingly messy visual impact-wise.

Perhaps you could extend a little more on your skills parts? Please don't just say 'max this and maybe this and the rest aren't bothered.' :C Actually go through the skills, maybe? Videos or pictures of how they work and their skill icons would be helpful.

Quote:

about Armors I dunno >.<
I will Run some Researchs XD
This I am sorry about though. While your knowledge of the build is good, unless you have a complete and thorough understanding of the little things, people might misinterpret or be left with questions you're unable to answer. :C

But it has lots of potential. ^^ I'd love to see an edited version; this seems like a great build to try out.


If you'd like someone to proofread and correct your grammar and suchlike, I'll do it if you want. ^^;

SoaringKnight 09-04-2008 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whattaninja (Post 1555027)
your guide is way to biased

.

DexBoy 09-27-2008 04:30 AM

you didnt even say to max prevention when thats a key skill for aoe.. o.o

AoEOfArrows 09-27-2008 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DexBoy (Post 1601668)
you didnt even say to max prevention when thats a key skill for aoe.. o.o

Well, considering all AoE BPs are RM-dependent, if you`re not going to Azria/desert (and maybe Mines in the bad case), Prevention won`t be needed THAT much. Though later it really gets important (and your prev-line gets higher too -_-).

And by the way, about your pros/cons page; When you write a guide, you don`t need to advertise your class, you just need to explain what is it, why it`s good and why it`s bad.
INT BPs get their AoE skill at 28 too. They just make lower damage output with it and switch it at 70.
You also forgot to say that STR BPs cast their skill slower, which means INT AoE BPs level faster. The only reason to go STR AoE BP is if you want an AoE BP but you also want to giant/you can`t afford the restat for whenever you`ll go to PvP or whatever you`d like.

FiliaChan 09-27-2008 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AoEOfArrows (Post 1601919)
Well, considering all AoE BPs are RM-dependent, if you`re not going to Azria/desert (and maybe Mines in the bad case), Prevention won`t be needed THAT much. Though later it really gets important (and your prev-line gets higher too -_-).

QFT.
Also, I'm looking forward for some sort of update on this guide. A lot of feedback has been given and acknowledged, yet no action seems to have been taken. People are already repeating a lot of the stuff already pointed out. Is this guide dead? :x

Socialent 09-27-2008 07:35 PM

I have to agree with a few of the previous comments. Some of your colors are hard to read, and they also lack unity and formating. I'm a visual person, so I guess that's a bias, but I think this guide would be a bit smoother if you took some time to actually look at how the colors and text appear to your readers.

Also, I've read all the other AoE Assist/BP/RM guides I could find and all of them say to cap STA at 60 or 80, then go full STR. I don't know the rules for guides, but I you can always look at other builds and explain why you think that the full STR is an advantage (it always depends on the player, so using all caps to say that STR AoE is the best isn't really your decision).

Might wanna look for typos and grammar - if your guide is easy to understand and read, you'll get more positive feedback, more readership and you'll most likely get a few people eager to be your friend.

Also, I agree that saying that full INT builds can go FS and "Bleh So What?" isn't something you should be saying in a guide - particularly when there are a few other, better guides that explain exactly why an INT build can succeed. Do your research - there are going to be some players who will take your advice and then which they never looked at your work.

Also, and I'll warn you now - I am a grammar b*tch, please don't use capitals where they don't belong. It doesn't put an emphasis on your words, it only makes them look childish. Trust me, I know.

Finally, be a bit more courteous to your critics - sure, some might be pretty mean, but they took the time to even glance and your guide. Say "Thanks" and take their advice, or if you don't want to, say "Thanks for your input, I'll see if I can work it in somewhere." - that way, won't offend people and your guide will look a lot more professional and trustworthy.

Now, if there are still people reading at this point, don't forget to read the other guides. An AoE Assist is pretty fun - I played around with it on my main and then I decided to get an alt which was a pure AoE build. So, doing research isn't just for people who want to write guides, it's for the people who want to do what the guide is telling them.

Thanks and good luck.
~Social

Tor 09-30-2008 07:52 AM

You got most of the basics and overall it's a guide. So i'm approving this and moving it to the flyff guides 2.0


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