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Originally Posted by woxxy

I always made myself the same question and I wondered if it could ever happen.

First of all, it's already happening, and no, it won't be ever like USA. And that's just good.

I agree, very good. I was looking at the EU's website and it said how it's creating a unification like the world has never seen before, and it's a very interesting one and one I think could work. =o The only problem I see is that the countries in the Union could secede at any time...there should be a substantial force holding them together, like the US has. No state in the USA can secede and stand on its own, however that can't be said about the EU's countries, not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

Originally Posted by Woxxy

Second, USA aren't a superpower. Less than 300 million people. That's just 3-4 European states allied. That doesn't make it a superpower. Those 3-4 states can easily overwhelm USA's military, population. Probably not the economy. Yeah, the petrol thing and such. And still, those states aren't all that divided on culture.
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I'm not sure if we're meaning the same superpower. o_o Superpower, what I mean, is the USA is economically prosperous, one of the, if not the, strongest most advanced military in the world, and is very influential all across the world. That's what I mean by superpower, and of course the USA could never stand a combined attack by Europe, but previously that would never happen because Europe was never unified, but now with the EU, Europe is unified and that's what I've been trying to convey in the topic; that now as EU is unified, could it, if it wanted, overwhelm even the USA with ease?

Originally Posted by Woxxy

It's not even cohalized as culture as I see it, not more than europeans. I'm quite a traveller and mix myself with other cultures, beside being a guy born off two different states. I never seen such a culture difference to make a union hard, rather, there's a very unified culture in Europe. It's not historic culture, nor art culture. It's lifestyle. The only really counting culture. And we all got the same lifestyle after all. I keep reading on this same forum about hard differences between states. Don't forget the USA culture isn't as condivided as Europe's. I think that European's feeling can be more nationalistic than american's.
You can hear a lot of times that people living in europe are getting nationalistic (continentalistic?) as we're getting more pride over this great agglomerate, and losing the feeling of our own small nation.

I also agree, the USA was very nationalistic when it first gained independence, but we're too diverse, none of us are directly from the USA any more, we all originated from Europe. You see so many people saying 'Oh I'm Irish, my great grandfather came here on a boat from Italy' etc, etc. We're more nationalistic about where our origins 200 years ago were than what we are now, whereas Europeans love who they are.

Originally Posted by Woxxy

Our military is better to stay separated. The power of it would be just enough to conquer the world. As it must happen, in case of attack the european states are allies. So there comes the NECESSARY conjunction of forces.
Building an european army would be like a run for 'weapons'. We aren't in need to attack anyone, and we're still able to front any country of the world by NATO alliance and company. Just to say, Germany, Italy, France and England altogether should be enough to overwhelm the american army. Add to that Spain. I hope we won't ever need to see that.

I also agree... It would be problematic most likely for the rest of the world if Europe formally and utterly unified its powers...it would probably intimidate the rest of the world too much. =o And maybe that's another goal of the EU, not to combine the powers completely and utterly but to just have the option of combination there in case they need it. Very interesting.

Originally Posted by Woxxy

Technologically, we'd never beat amer... INDIA. I'm sorry for USA, but their silicon valley is getting less and less epic. With this tendence, we'll see asian countries to be the most technologically expanded.
By now, Europe doesn't show off its technologies. But we got the hell of places like CERN. The space program is not even used as advertising to say HEY OUR NATION IS THE BEST. But yet, look who's is most of the orbital space station. We got a way higher quantity of brains here. Underpayed. Too bad they don't go in USA like in last decade. They go in Asia now. They pay way more.
We're not riding the wave as USA. But that wave is getting to the beach now.

Hmm, I dunno much about this, but yeah I can imagine that Europe all unified as the EU could easily blow away the other big economies out there... And right now it can't individually...but that's another goal of the EU, right?

Originally Posted by Woxxy

Economics in Europe are ruled by USA for a fair part. We didn't get out of this yet, and first thing to GTFO is the usage of petrol. But I guess USA itself pushes for this to not to happen, as well as car sellers.
But we'd also have to embed the stocks from their wall street.
Right tho... look at the fluctuations of the €/$. We're gaining a freaking lot as importers off that. Tho, Europe is a massive exporter to USA. And there comes the rub..

Not sure what to say about this part... Not familiar with what you're saying. >_< Though I can say it sucks we don't import the types of cars that Europe uses... It'd satisfy the US people big time to have the MPG that you guys' cars have, but the oil companies don't want it because it would mean less money for them. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Woxxy

Europe won't become a state like USA. But we'll with time have unified laws (we already have a constitution). The economy is already untaxed between states. The language problem 'for the people who counts' is not existing. Workers change state here pretty easily, even if it's not as needed, since we have only like 20 bigger states to wander in.
Our politics won't ever merge. We will never have that ruler that the american president is. We'll have this parliament as we already have, but with POWERS, not as the tea party that now it is.

I agree it won't become like the USA, it'll be a different type of unification which is very interesting, and maybe the parliament is a better thing so that decisions can be made even slower than in the USA, so that decisions won't be made too hastily. And since all countries are still technically individual in the EU, I guess decisions will just get made better...

I might've misinterpreted some of your stuff Woxxy, but for the most part I really agree with you. =o Very interesting to see the views of the EU itself from a European themselves.